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Old 10-11-2006, 05:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Real 9/11

You guys (americans) are so hung up on 9/11 it is ridiculus, more people die every day because of american pharmacutical companise refuse to let third world countries develop medicine that their sick people can use, more people die from starvation because american7western countries grow luxuary goods on soil that could be used to grow food.

But the worst thing is that in all the 9/11 mist a real tragedy is forgotten
Military Coup d'état

On September 11, 1973, a military coup d'état removed Allende. The intervention was extremely violent from the very begining. The rebels surrounded the La Moneda Palace with tanks and infantry troops and bombed it with Hawker Hunter fighter jets. The president and some of his aides were besieged in the palace. Allende refused to surrender, and addressed the nation for a last time in a potent farewell speech.

The worst violence occurred in the first few months after the coup, with the number of suspected leftists killed or "disappeared" soon reaching into the thousands. In the days immediately following the coup, the National Stadium was used as a concentration camp holding 40,000 prisoners. Some of the most famous cases of "desaparecidos" are Charles Horman, a U.S. citizen who was tortured and killed during the coup itself; Chilean songwriter Víctor Jara, murdered while held prisoner at the Chile Stadium immediately after the coup, and the October 1973 Caravan of Death (Caravana de la Muerte) were at least 70 persons were killed. Approximately 130,000 individuals were arrested in a three-year period, with the number of dead and "disappeared" reaching into the thousands within the first few months. Most of the people targeted had been supporters of Allende.

La Moneda Presidential Palace being bombed during the coup (1973)

Following Pinochet's defeat in the 1989 plebiscite, the 1991 Rettig Commission, a multipartisan effort from the democratic governments to discover the truth about the allegations, listed a number of torture and detention centers (such as Colonia Dignidad, Esmeralda ship or Víctor Jara Stadium), and found that at least 3,000 people were killed or disappeared by the regime.

A later report, the Valech Report (published in November 2004), confirmed the figure of 3,000 deaths but dramatically reduced the alleged cases of disappearances. It tells of some 28,000 arrests in which the majority of those detained were incarcerated and in a great many cases tortured. Many were exiled and received abroad, in particular in Argentina, as political refugees; however, they were followed in their exile by the DINA secret police, in the frame of Operation Condor which linked South-American dictatorships together against political opponents.

In the book in which he recounts the coup (El Día decisivo), General Pinochet affirms that he was the leading plotter of the coup and used his position as Commander of the Army to coordinate a far-reaching scheme with the other branches of the military. In recent years, however, high military officials from the time have said that Pinochet only reluctantly got involved in the coup a few days before it was scheduled to occur, and then only followed the lead of the Navy and Air Force, as they triggered it.
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Allende's death

President Allende died during the coup. The junta officially declared that he committed suicide with a machine gun (generally presumed to be the machine gun given to him by Fidel Castro), and an autopsy labelled his death as suicide.

This explanation is today widely accepted, even by his family and members of his own party, after decades of silence and pointing to the Military. This (now) general acceptance is based on statements given by two doctors from the La Moneda Palace infirmary who witnessed the suicide: Dr. Patricio Guijón, who made a statement at the time, and Dr. José Quiroga who only confirmed it many years later.[8][9][10]

Some sources misattribute these statements to "Allende's personal doctor"; Dr. Enrique Paris Roa, who was at La Moneda not on his professional role but as a member of Allende's cabinet. He does not appear to have made any such statement as he was executed shortly afterwards. However some supporters still insist that Allende was murdered by Pinochet's military forces while defending the palace

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_coup_of_1973

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._intervention_in_Chile

I can see why an invasion and the dethroning of Saddam is a good thing if it were for other reasons then the oil, it should have been done within the UN but the veto right F's it up

But this helping a fascist dictator take power from a democraticaly elected president and thus killing thousends of people and imprisoning even more is a low point in american history.
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Old 10-11-2006, 05:31 PM   #2 (permalink)

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9/11 was tragic and yes it is known that there were more tragic events but this one attacked us on our home turf.

america doing coups or supporting dictators is no suprise to me.
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Old 10-11-2006, 05:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Both 9/11's were bad.
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Old 10-11-2006, 05:55 PM   #4 (permalink)
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As an American, let me just say this:

*Sticks fingers in ears*

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA LA
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As an American, let me just say this:

*Sticks fingers in ears*

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA LA
GermanBJJ, yer posts are usually fricken hilarious.....

That said, 9/11 goes well beyond the 3000 or so deaths that happened on that day...
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More people die from the weather than from terrorists.

More people die from the workings of the US govt. and its army than the weather.

US military >weather> drunk drivers> terrorists.

Yes, when US installs a leader in a foreign nation, people suffer badly. We do it to exploit them. It says so right there in the standard procedure manual for US imperialism.
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Old 10-11-2006, 06:33 PM   #7 (permalink)

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You all hate our freedom.
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Old 10-11-2006, 06:45 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Your freedom is an illusion. It looks like a cage to me.

In your cage/freedom, you are being lied to, deceived, exploited, and they are so good at tending to you, that you enjoy it. If the door is left open (and it always is), you would stay inside that mind.

I love my country and its people, I don't care much for how our leaders have defiled it.
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Your freedom is an illusion. It looks like a cage to me.

In your cage/freedom, you are being lied to, deceived, exploited, and they are so good at tending to you, that you enjoy it. If the door is left open (and it always is), you would stay inside that mind.

I love my country and its people, I don't care much for how our leaders have defiled it.
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You're on a roll today N13... let er' rip good buddy.
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