RE: military overcompensation

[Rudy Richter]

Originally Posted by Lubaolong

They aren't inflated in the least. I was in the military for 6 years and I think they are pretty spot on. I was getting around $80-90k in Hawaii when I separated as an E-5. My MOS, along with some others there, could stay there indefinitely if they chose just because of the limited duty assignments available. I just think it seems unbelievable to a lot of people because they don't see all this extra money. They live on base and eat in the chow halls and don't see all the hidden money they are getting for housing, insurance, food, etc. I lived off base though so I collected all the money.

Dude you really for once need to do some FUCKING research. Jesus fucking christ....

It's funny how you don't seem to include all the other benefits college graduates get from a "real" job like engineering. You conviniently add these numbers into that of military personel, but shit like 401K matching, ESPP, NQSO's, RSU's, profit sharring etc. etc....not to mention health care that is 8000000000 times better than military medical care is no where mentioned on the civilian counter part. To give you an idea, an EE working for a company that offers only average stock based compensation that has a base salary of 60K will actually be making at least in the mid 80's...yes we are talking guys right out of school to 2-3 years of work experience. A guy with 5 plus years makes on an average between 90 - 110k when the market conditions are mediocre to shitty. When the market is good these guys can make a nice chunk of cash.

[Orsyn]

Originally Posted by Rudy Richter

Dude you really for once need to do some FUCKING research. Jesus fucking christ....

It's funny how you don't seem to include all the other benefits college graduates get from a "real" job like engineering. You conviniently add these numbers into that of military personel, but shit like 401K matching, ESPP, NQSO's, RSU's, profit sharring etc. etc....not to mention health care that is 8000000000 times better than military medical care is no where mentioned on the civilian counter part. To give you an idea, an EE working for a company that offers only average stock based compensation that has a base salary of 60K will actually be making at least in the mid 80's...yes we are talking guys right out of school to 2-3 years of work experience. A guy with 5 plus years makes on an average between 90 - 110k when the market conditions are mediocre to shitty. When the market is good these guys can make a nice chunk of cash.

/clap

well said Rudy. Even though I didn't make shit when I was in, I wouldn't trade the experience/what I learned/life lessons for going to college instead of the military ( i would however change how i spent some of my time/money)

[Lubaolong]

Originally Posted by Rudy Richter

Dude you really for once need to do some FUCKING research. Jesus fucking christ....

You've already made this point once earlier in the thread and I admitted that you were right about their extra bonuses and benefits. That still doesn't change the fact that military guys still get paid a good salary.

[Cujo_Trey]

Originally Posted by Lubaolong

There was nothing formal about breakfast. The officers were doing their officer training school and I was there doing my thing and we would all go to this little shop that sold breakfast burritos every morning and sit outside on picnic tables and converse. These guys were butter bars that had just finished college. Here I am a college graduate that speaks Chinese and a few years of military service. Do you think they are going to look down on me?

So you were a linguist... That doesn't change anything.

You didn't answer the question.

How many of these hundreds of officers that you knew did you interrogate about their degrees?

[Cujo_Trey]

Originally Posted by Lubaolong

You've already made this point once earlier in the thread and I admitted that you were right about their extra bonuses and benefits. That still doesn't change the fact that military guys still get paid a good salary.

If he's right (which you just admitted to) then you are wrong. The two arguments are mutually exclusive.
EOT.

[Lubaolong]

Originally Posted by Cujo_Trey

So you were a linguist... That doesn't change anything.

You didn't answer the question.

How many of these hundreds of officers that you knew did you interrogate about their degrees?

Interrogate? We ate breakfast together and talked about life and future plans. I don't know how many, but I would say a pretty fair percentage. As far as the officers I worked around, I would say I knew pretty much every single one of them. They usually would mention it in their introduction speech. If not, I one of us would usually ask.

[Lubaolong]

Originally Posted by Cujo_Trey

If he's right (which you just admitted to) then you are wrong. The two arguments are mutually exclusive.
EOT.

I am wrong that military members are overcompensated if they make a little less than engineers after you figure in stock options? Uh huh.

[Rudy Richter]

Originally Posted by Orsyn

/clap

well said Rudy. Even though I didn't make shit when I was in, I wouldn't trade the experience/what I learned/life lessons for going to college instead of the military ( i would however change how i spent some of my time/money)

Agreed Orsyn....

[Rudy Richter]

Originally Posted by Lubaolong

You've already made this point once earlier in the thread and I admitted that you were right about their extra bonuses and benefits. That still doesn't change the fact that military guys still get paid a good salary.

My bad..... This thread is so long, I didn't realize you responded to that.

[Rudy Richter]

Originally Posted by Lubaolong

I am wrong that military members are overcompensated if they make a little less than engineers after you figure in stock options? Uh huh.

The conditions I listed were under mediocre to shitty conditions in the market. When the Russell 2000 index is flying high, so are all the engineers, and other people in that industry.