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Old 05-01-2008, 01:28 PM   #31 (permalink)

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How ignorant are you? Or are you blind? Do you actually even look for facts or just open your mouth and let anything fall out?

Iran is already at war with Iraq.

Here are some facts!!!!!

Iran hasn't just been sending in its weapons, but its own military and intelligence PEOPLE to direct attacks and fights. WE and the IRAQIS have CAPTURED them and the Iraqi government has made deals to return many of them.

SEE THE NEWS CLIPS BELOW AND NOTICE HOW LONG THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON!

Maybe, Iraq, as a sovereign nation, recovering fast in the las year, getting its oil to the market with record revenues, and seeing its own military building and succeeding more in its effectiveness, is now ready to start telling the United States that it is facing facts. In spite of returning Iranian fighters/spies/killers/arms smugglers, etc., to try to be "nice" to Iran, Iran continues to wage war against the people and government of Iraq, that you hear reported every day. It bankrolls and arms militias that constantly fight Iraq's police and military men - moreso than US military. They assassinate and bomb Iraqi government people and their families, etc..

Iraq is at war with Iran. The question is NOW is Iraq about to warn Iran that it will start taking the war to Iran itself - with the US helping?

WASHINGTON July 6, 2004 — American and Iraqi joint patrols, along with U.S. Special Operations (teams, captured two men with explosives in Baghdad on Monday who identified themselves as Iranian intelligence officers, FOX News has confirmed.
Senior officials said it was previously believed that Iran had officers inside Iraq stirring up violence, but this is the first time that self-proclaimed Iranian intelligence agents have been captured within the country.
The Defense officials also confirmed to FOX News that in recent days there has been significant success in tracking down "known bad guys" based on information from local citizens. While those captured aren't from the list of former regime members or from terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's (search) network, they are "active" bombers and organizers of recent violence.
The arrest of the two Iranians suspected of attempting to carry out a vehicle bombing has focused new attention on how Tehran is trying to protect its interests in the country it fought for eight years in a devastating war.

U.S. Says It Will Release Nine Of 20 Iranians Captured in Iraq
By Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 7, 2007; Page A14
The United States will release nine of 20 Iranians captured in Iraq on the grounds that they no longer threaten American or Iraqi forces, Rear Adm. Gregory J. Smith said in Baghdad yesterday. But the U.S. military will continue to detain 11 other Iranians, including the highest-ranking or "most troubling," and three detained in a controversial U.S. raid in the northern city of Irbil in January, a senior U.S. official said.
All 20 detainees are known or suspected members of Iran's elite Quds Force, the arm of the Revolutionary Guard Corps responsible for Iran's foreign operations and recently sanctioned by the Bush administration as a supporter of terrorism, the officials said. Until yesterday, the United States had acknowledged holding only eight Iranians.
The status of the captured Iranians is so diplomatically and militarily sensitive that it has been reviewed by the White House. President Bush was briefed on the decision, which was made on the recommendation of military officials after weeks of deliberation, U.S. sources said.
U.S. Says It Will Release Nine Of 20 Iranians Captured in Iraq - washingtonpost.com

Iraq Expels 2 Iranians Detained by U.S.
American Defense Official Calls Release 'Obviously Troubling'
By Sudarsan Raghavan and Robin Wright
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, December 30, 2006; Page A13
BAGHDAD, Dec. 29 -- Two senior Iranian operatives who were detained by U.S. forces in Iraq and were strongly suspected of planning attacks against American military forces and Iraqi targets were expelled to Iran on Friday, according to U.S. and Iraqi officials.
The decision to free the men was made by the Iraqi government and has angered U.S. military officials who say the operatives were seeking to foment instability here.
"These are really serious people," said one U.S. defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity. "They were the target of a very focused raid based on intelligence, and it would be hard for one to believe that their activities weren't endorsed by the Iranian government. It's a situation that is obviously troubling."
Iraq Expels 2 Iranians Detained by U.S. - washingtonpost.com


February 10, 2005
Austrians sold 800 sniper rifles to Iran; U.S. protests
Such a rush to dhimmitude in Europe! Astonishing. From AP, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:
VIENNA, Austria -- Iran has contracted to buy hundreds of high-powered rifles from an Austrian firm, the company's owner said Wednesday. The sale drew an indirect rebuke from the United States, but Austrian government ministries said no laws were broken.
Wolfgang Fuerlinger, head of Steyr Mannlicher GmbH, confirmed the deal between his company and Iranian authorities and said U.S. Embassy officials had expressed concerns the arms could make their way to Iraq for use against American troops.

He said he could not confirm Austrian media reports that part of the order -- 800 long-range semiautomatic rifles that can penetrate thick ****l, along with high-tech snipers' scopes -- was flown to Iran last month.
The United States has strict embargoes in place against Iran on sales of weapons or technology or materials that could be used to make weapons.

Dhimmi Watch: Austrians sold 800 sniper rifles to Iran; U.S. protests

More on Steyr-Mannlicher Sniper Rifles

Here's the latest information on the HS50 Steyr-Mannlicher .50 caliber sniper rifles, Austrian made, sold to Iran, and now being used in Iraq against American soldiers. According to the deal, the buyer was Iran's federal police force, specifically a special anti-drug unit and were to be used in fighting the drug trade, smugglers and dealers.
The Steyr HS.50s found in Baghdad have been traced through Iran back to the 2005 Austrian deal with the National Iranian Police Organization, presumably by using discernable serial numbers on the weapons.
Right Truth: More on Steyr-Mannlicher Sniper Rifles
Well if Fox news said it then must be true. Read the next line very carefully. I said that I don't think Iran would mark the weapons they send to Iraq with any signs that could be used to trace it back to Iran. The government maybe Islamic douchebags but they're not retarded Islamic douchebags. I never said Iran isn't helping fuel insurgency in Iraq. I just find it very hard to believe that the guns and bombs they give to insurgents to use in Iraq would say "Made In Iran". That's like me murdering someone then leaving a box of hair, skin, saliva, semen and my driver's license at the crime scene.

This is of course in response to the article the OP posted. Also thanks for calling me ignorant, that was a nice touch.
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Old 05-01-2008, 01:32 PM   #32 (permalink)
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lol at using dhimmi watch as some kind of accurate reporting on the Iran-Iraq issue.

Here's a clue: The competition in Iraq has nothing to do with religion or dhimmitude and much more to do with sovereign states and national interest.
And the Washington Post? Why don't you address the FACTS that are reported? Dhimmiwatch.org, like the Washington Post and virtually every other news outlet worldwide reported these FACTS.

Why can't face the FACTS and address the FACTS.

Sending your military men, sending arms, directing and carrying out attacks with these are all ACTS of WAR. Iran is already waging war with Iraq. THOSE ARE FACTS.

NOW, with that as a fact, what is the ELECTED government of Iraq, and its military supposed to do?

The sovereignty of Iraq is under attack by the explicitly Shiite Islamic Republic of Iran. Even the president Ahmedinejad is answerable to the Ayatollahs. Saying that religion has nothing to do with the situation is blind and ignorant.
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I think you are wrong there. A US pull-out in Iraq will see Iran pull in. They can't really attack Israel, but they can quickly make Iraq a shiite islamic "republic".

It will be much like the US pull-out from Viet Nam. Once the US was out N.Vietnam invaded S.Vietnam with regular troops, and took over. US collaborators fled or were killed, millions of refugees/boat people, etc.. US military capabiliy, morale, and US diplomatic influence, etc., all down the toilet, while our enemies got more threatening - until Ronald Reagan came into the presidency and turned everything around.
ok yah that makes more sence lol....thanks
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Old 05-01-2008, 01:41 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Well if Fox news said it then must be true. Read the next line very carefully. I said that I don't think Iran would mark the weapons they send to Iraq with any signs that could be used to trace it back to Iran. The government maybe Islamic douchebags but they're not retarded Islamic douchebags. I never said Iran isn't helping fuel insurgency in Iraq. I just find it very hard to believe that the guns and bombs they give to insurgents to use in Iraq would say "Made In Iran". That's like me murdering someone then leaving a box of hair, skin, saliva, semen and my driver's license at the crime scene.

This is of course in response to the article the OP posted. Also thanks for calling me ignorant, that was a nice touch.
I called you ignorant AND BLIND. Your poor eyesight only let you see 3 letters FOX.

If you weren't so morally blind or just plain lazy you would have seen that the Washinton Post carried the stories, too. AND if you had enough integrity of your own and questioned the integrity of those sources, you could have found that these stories and FACTS were carried all over the world by EVERY news outlet.

Also, if you had any perception on this or any matter you would SEE CLEARLY that if Iran had the audacity to be sending its own PEOPLE into Iraq and having them captured, named, and acknowledged as theirs and then negotiate and accept return of them - there you have all the "hair, skin, saliva, semen, "and identification of the murderers. If Iran has acknowledged this, then why wouldn't it use its own guns and bombs as well? The military men and intelligence men captured are "Made in Iran" and Iran admits that, so why wouldn't those men "Made in Iran" be carrying thier own guns and bombs that are also "Made in Iran"??????

Come on, use your head and open your eyes to FACTS.

Now address the problem. Iran is at war with Iraq. What should Iraq do about it? Or is that too hard to think about?
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Old 05-01-2008, 01:50 PM   #35 (permalink)

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Why can't face the FACTS and address the FACTS.
Actually, because these are just lies.

Warmongers. It was said before in the thread, it happened throughout history and is still happening now.

Please wake up.
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I think you are wrong there. A US pull-out in Iraq will see Iran pull in. They can't really attack Israel, but they can quickly make Iraq a shiite islamic "republic".

It will be much like the US pull-out from Viet Nam. Once the US was out N.Vietnam invaded S.Vietnam with regular troops, and took over. US collaborators fled or were killed, millions of refugees/boat people, etc.. US military capabiliy, morale, and US diplomatic influence, etc., all down the toilet, while our enemies got more threatening - until Ronald Reagan came into the presidency and turned everything around.
Nam's a pretty bad example. The US left and they came about to modernization on their own.
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Actually, because these are just lies.

Warmongers. It was said before in the thread, it happened throughout history and is still happening now.

Please wake up.
If you do not believe that Iran is providing funds, training, intelligence, weapons, and logistical support in an effort to de-stabalize Iraq, then clearly- you are the one that needs to wake up.

I am not a warmonger, and would not support an invasion of Iran, but is a clear and unequivical fact that Iran is engaging in these acts.
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there is no way we could defeat iran in a war, not with irans military capability and the current state of our military. but hey, what israel wants israel gets from the united states goverment
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If you do not believe that Iran is providing funds, training, intelligence, weapons, and logistical support in an effort to de-stabalize Iraq, then clearly- you are the one that needs to wake up.

I am not a warmonger, and would not support an invasion of Iran, but is a clear and unequivical fact that Iran is engaging in these acts.
what do you expect ? thats politics, when a neighboring country is overthrown the neighbors always try to influence the new goverment ? and plus the united states is responsible for destabilizing it in the first place...dumbass
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