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Old 05-11-2008, 07:23 PM   #21 (permalink)
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jimy carters not relevant who was a bad prez
mahatma gandhi was a racist
malcolm x was a black seperatist at one point in his life
arun gandhis also racist and just wants attantion
nelson mandella was a PoW so his views are biased

none of their opinion bout israel matters because of the above reasons, and we shud ignore everything they say even if its fact!

also the jews who speak out are self haters who suffer from ifneriority complex
and the traditional jews such as NT and TTJ are fundamentalists
those who arent jews and speak out are anti semitic
the ones that who speak out too loud are nazis.

jewish organizations calling for peace that condemn the militant zionist state are a minority and treehuggers
pali organizations that do that are terrorists, so news and info from them cant be trusted

this isnt directed at u remowiliams (ur a cool guy), but just a general outlook on various “defense mechanisms” iv seen being employd on sherdog (which r forms of ad hominem)
bahahahahahaha right on.



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Old 05-11-2008, 07:27 PM   #22 (permalink)

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nice rebuttal !!!! rusky once again you have defended the honor of your zionist state with such strength and conviction, how can anybody ever stick up for those palestinians ? you should of remained a stain on a matress
Carter's book: Anti-Semitism, not peace

Jimmy Carter's latest offering reeks of anti-Semitism, not because of what he has written but because of how he has written it, what he has left out

12.29.2006 | YnetNews.com
By Rabbi Levi Brackman

Rabbi Levi Brackman is executive director of Judaism in the Foothills (Judaism in the Foothills - Home ) and the author of numerous articles on a whole range of topics and issues, many of which can be found on his website (Rabbi Levi Brackman - Home )

The Israel–Egypt negotiations resulting in the Camp David accords in the late 1970s were before my time. My negative perception of former United States President Jimmy Carter came from reading detailed accounts of the negotiations and the bully-boy tactics he used against Israel during that time.

I do not use the term anti-Semite lightly; in fact, I am fundamentally against equating legitimate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. However, Carter's latest book, "Palestine Peace Not Apartheid" takes my antipathy for the man to an entirely new level, for in my view with this book he has shown himself to be an anti-Semite.

This article is not the place to delve into the details of the book and refute it line by line - this has already been done. However, it is important to consider the general impression a book makes on the reader.

Inner meanings

All writers know that, besides the actual words that are written, there are many messages that are conveyed between the lines by use of language, sentence structure and omissions.

Jimmy Carter's latest offering reeks of anti-Semitism, not primarily because of what he has written but because of how he has written it and what he has left out. By the end of the book the reader will have picked up a number of completely false or partially false assertions or implications, and I will list ten here.

One, he gives the impression that Israel never sincerely sought peace.

Two, he promotes the notion that Israel is interested in inflicting long-term damage and pain on the Palestinians.

Three, he hints that Israel is bad for Christians and Christianity as well.

Four, he implies that the disengagement from Gaza was just a ploy to further inconvenience and inflict suffering upon the Palestinians. Five, he hints that Israel made unsubstantiated accusations against Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and thus treated him unfairly.

Six, he gives the impression that former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak never made a reasonable offer to the Palestinians when he negotiated with Arafat at Camp David and it was Barak's fault that the talks fell apart. Seven, he implies that Israel never keeps to signed agreements and that she torpedoed the Road Map.

Eight, Carter insinuates that Israel purposely and inappropriately interferes with free and fair elections in the Palestinian Authority. Nine, he implies that Hamas is a reasonable organization, which will fall into place the moment Israel becomes more reasonable with the Palestinians. The tenth and most repulsive impression Carter gives is that Israel's actions are the cause of most of the conflicts in the world.

Is he American or Palestinian?

In fact, Carter's book reads as if it was written by a Palestinian propagandist, not by a former United States President who has been engaged in the Arab–Israeli conflict for nearly thirty years.

To conclude, as some have, that, rather than being an anti-Semite, Carter is just an ignoramus who has a tendency to "always root for the underdog" is as absurd as the book itself. In an interview, Carter claimed that while writing this book he read almost every book on the subject. If this is indeed the case - and there is no reason to doubt it - then his intentional omissions and insinuations against Israel start to take on a more sinister face.

The fact is that any person who has even an elementary knowledge of history will be able to explain that Carter's arguments are either completely or partially incorrect. However, Carter wants to push his false premise that if only Israel would pull back from the "occupied territories" and give them back to the Arabs, peace would rain for the entire region and maybe even for the whole world.

But why would an informed person such as Carter want to push Israel to do things that, bearing in mind the facts on the ground, which he almost entirely omits in the book, would be wholly against its national and security interests and tantamount to national suicide?

Furthermore, why would Carter invest so much effort in writing such a completely one-sided and misleading book, which is clearly not a realistic way forward for peace between Israel and its neighbors? I have but one answer.

Being an anti-Semite is not a reasonable state of mind it is pathological. As an anti-Semite Carter cannot stand the fact that Israel is so overwhelmingly supported by the American people and he has therefore published a dishonest and poorly written book in a cynical attempt to change this. In doing so he has not only brought shame upon himself but also, as a former president, profoundly dishonored the presidency of the United States. By extension, he is a disgrace to America.
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Old 05-11-2008, 07:32 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Carter's book: Anti-Semitism, not peace

Jimmy Carter's latest offering reeks of anti-Semitism, not because of what he has written but because of how he has written it, what he has left out
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But why would an informed person such as Carter want to push Israel to do things that, bearing in mind the facts on the ground, which he almost entirely omits in the book, would be wholly against its national and security interests and tantamount to national suicide?

Furthermore, why would Carter invest so much effort in writing such a completely one-sided and misleading book, which is clearly not a realistic way forward for peace between Israel and its neighbors? I have but one answer.

Being an anti-Semite is not a reasonable state of mind it is pathological. As an anti-Semite Carter cannot stand the fact that Israel is so overwhelmingly supported by the American people and he has therefore published a dishonest and poorly written book in a cynical attempt to change this. In doing so he has not only brought shame upon himself but also, as a former president, profoundly dishonored the presidency of the United States. By extension, he is a disgrace to America.
there it is. jimmy carter is ALSO welcomed to the 'anti semite club'

thanks zionist thug

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firstly, like i mentioned before: this thread has nothin to do wit EGYPT. and u keep bringin up egypt for no apparent reason.

secondly, you said:


and i proved u wrong:


now plz stick to the topic at hand and dont try to hijack the thread.
You misunderstand what I meant about not dealing with Hamas-I meant that Egypt has maintained the effort to isolate Hamas by keeping the border closed with Gaza, which is true, so you proved nothing.

Actually this thread does have to deal with Egypt; you want to talk about how badly the Gazans are being treated, so please explain how one bordering state's refusal to open up the border is not relevant but another state's refusal to do the same thing is. Egypt has the same ability to help the Gazans as Israel does, and unlike Israel, Egypt is not under constant attack from Gaza and thus is much more inclined to treat the Gazans well, but they also refuse to do so.
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You misunderstand what I meant about not dealing with Hamas-I meant that Egypt has maintained the effort to isolate Hamas by keeping the border closed with Gaza, which is true, so you proved nothing.

Actually this thread does have to deal with Egypt; you want to talk about how badly the Gazans are being treated, so please explain how one bordering state's refusal to open up the border is not relevant but another state's refusal to do the same thing is. Egypt has the same ability to help the Gazans as Israel does, and unlike Israel, Egypt is not under constant attack from Gaza and thus is much more inclined to treat the Gazans well, but they also refuse to do so.
umm.. idk, one reason may be that ONE of the states is OCCUPYING palistine, while the other isnt.. JUST a wild guess but that may have something to do with it.


and the reason EGYPT is strict with its borders is because of US AID. IF they arent strict with the borders, they get no aid

thats how it works for them.
CAIRO, Dec 27 (IPS) - Last week, both houses of U.S. Congress agreed to withhold 100 million dollars in financial assistance to Egypt following Israeli claims that Egyptian authorities were failing to prevent weapons smuggling to the Gaza Strip. Cairo, for its part, denounced the decision, while local political analysts saw the move as a heavy-handed pressure tactic on the part of Washington's pro-Israel lobby.

"U.S. financial aid to Egypt has always been subject to pressure by the Israeli lobby," Mohamed Abu al-Hadid, political analyst and head of state-owned print house Dar al-Tahrir, which publishes prominent daily al Gomhouriya, told IPS. "The decision violates Egyptian sovereignty -- and dignity -- and requires an unequivocal response."


WHO INFLUENCES SUCH POLICIES OF US AID AND FOREIGN POLICY OF THE MIDDLE EAST??



so on one side, israel occupies palistine, and builds a wall around the pali settlements usually within pali borders and tactfulyl disperses the settlements.


on another side you have US bribing EGYPT to close its borders to PALIS cuz of pressurs from israeli lobby.


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So are you saying that Egypt is no longer autonomous? Guess what, the way the world works is that people buy what they want. Egypt values aid from America more than it values the Palestinians, which is not surprising.

Furthermore, Israel is not occupying Gaza. Only Hamas is. As long as Hamas is in power and continues to encourage/allow rockets and mortars to be fired into Israel with the purpose of killing Israeli civilians, then Israel will continue to retaliate harshly, and you will keep whining about the treatment of Gazans. I guarantee you that if Gazans started firing rockets into Egypt, the response would be much harsher than it is from the Israelis.
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haha yeah, just like the egyptian minister saying that


"any more palestinian's caught crossing the border will have their legs broken and sent back to gaza"

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haha yeah, just like the egyptian minister saying that


"any more palestinian's caught crossing the border will have their legs broken and sent back to gaza"

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Does anyone need to put up the many stupid things Israel's Prime Minister's have said?
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So are you saying that Egypt is no longer autonomous? Guess what, the way the world works is that people buy what they want. Egypt values aid from America more than it values the Palestinians, which is not surprising.

Furthermore, Israel is not occupying Gaza. Only Hamas is. As long as Hamas is in power and continues to encourage/allow rockets and mortars to be fired into Israel with the purpose of killing Israeli civilians, then Israel will continue to retaliate harshly, and you will keep whining about the treatment of Gazans. I guarantee you that if Gazans started firing rockets into Egypt, the response would be much harsher than it is from the Israelis.
ahhahahaheuaheuhaheahahahah

such a poor job using egypt as ur scape goat. i thought u wud learn once i PWND u by showing ISRAELS the reason behind egypts border security. ahhahahahahah and now ur trying again to use EGYPT?? LMAO

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wat merit does this even have? LOL

ahahehauheauhueahea

wow, and this time u also blame hamas for 'occupying palis' ahhaha
who put hamas in power??? ISRAEL
who gets Egypt the foreign aid from US to tighten border security??? ISRAEL
who assasinated JFK??? IDK, look it up on Google
who influences Egypts border activity to break pali's legs??? ISRAEL
who build their homeland in pali land??? ISRAEL
who built a wall around the palis??? ISRAEL
who illegally expanded their land cuz of over imigration and greedy settlers??? ISRAEL
who continuously air strikes on pali civilians??? ISRAEL
who has over 200 jew-only settlements on pali land??? ISRAEL
who tolerates settler violence towards pali civilians??? ISRAEL
who has mandatory military service??? ISRAEL
who killed over 900 pali children since 2000??? ISRAEL
who has over 65 United Nations resolutions against them??? ISRAEL
who has over 10,000 pali prisoners and regularly uses violence and torture against them??? ISRAEL

u are hillarious tryna sound like u care bout Gazans. u don give a rats ass as long as ur god given land remains with gods chosen ppl by any means necessary.
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Does anyone need to put up the many stupid things Israel's Prime Minister's have said?
does anyone need to pretend the rest of the arab world actually gives a fuck about the palis
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