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Old 09-13-2007, 07:13 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Any excuse to raise gas prices........the companies gotta do it while they can because oil will not last forever....
Well it's about supply and demand and that's a big part of what I was discussing above... the big diversified oil plays like BP, Exxon, Chevron, RDS, - they all need to maintain their levels of production to maintain the price of oil. They don't want oil to soar too high or it will cut down on world wide purchasing.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:18 PM   #12 (permalink)

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Well it's about supply and demand and that's a big part of what I was discussing above... the big diversified oil plays like BP, Exxon, Chevron, RDS, - they all need to maintain their levels of production to maintain the price of oil. They don't want oil to soar too high or it will cut down on world wide purchasing.
I read what you wrote but I was a little confused on whether or not you were talking about oil extraction or refinery processing. From what I understand is that the prices are up because of refinery problems, not necessarily the output from drilling. Am I understanding this correctly?

I own Shell and BP stocks, both have been great performers over the last 5 years. Nothing will last forever though and I have been thinking about making a spec play and getting out after this weinter heating season. I have not investigated the energy sector that much since I got into Oil.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:31 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I read what you wrote but I was a little confused on whether or not you were talking about oil extraction or refinery processing. From what I understand is that the prices are up because of refinery problems, not necessarily the output from drilling. Am I understanding this correctly?

I own Shell and BP stocks, both have been great performers over the last 5 years. Nothing will last forever though and I have been thinking about making a spec play and getting out after this weinter heating season. I have not investigated the energy sector that much since I got into Oil.
Great holdings, kudos on that PB. Sorry for the confusion on my point above; I'll try to explain it better:

Maintaining the present level of production is necessary to continue the price of gas at present levels. If production slows because there's a shortage of production and barrels of crude coming out of the ground, the price of gas around the world will balloon because each barrel will be worth more because of demand.

Enter - exploration and drilling services. These are companies that are and will increasingly be tapped to explore, drill and export the oil to the refining companies or the Big Oils. From there, the refineries will make money on margins, so the price for a purely refining company isn't so much of an issue. For the likes of Schlumberger and Conocophillips, they will only see their business, contracts and demand for their labor increase ten-fold going forward. As the price of oil goes up, their labor will be more important and they can charge more for their service.

I hope that helps.

None of this is to say that the majors like BP, RDS or Exxon are not buys. They will all make massive windfall profit and they pay nice divs, which will only grow as their cash reserves grown. However, they have to incorporate every aspect of how production, price and margins mesh together and that can make them less of a growth story than the services or refiners. They do their own refining...etc but they naturally have to tap other companies for specialized service too.

I love Schlumberger and Conocophillips going forward. 3% of the Berkshire Hathaway portfolio is invested in Conocophillips, which is not only best-in-breed in that sector, but it's also undervalued when considering its PEG ratio which is around or under 1 right now. Around or under 1 means that the company is comparatively cheap compared to it's currect earnings and it's year over year growth in earnings.
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Old 09-14-2007, 01:47 AM   #14 (permalink)
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The only hesitation I have towards investing heavy in oil exploration companies is the fact that a couple big advances in alternative fuel sources could sink many of the companies.
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is life really just much more simple then we make it...

fuck the short-term upswing or downswing in demand for oil ... its a finite resource and its been documented so many times that we are near or at it's peak production and as china, india and the rest of the world is catching up economically, they will need lots of oil.

so the fucking price will just keep going up. why are people shocked by this ?
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If the US invades Iran and the oil prices go down I'll support your war on terror.

Driving an 8 cylinder car > millions of lifes.
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If the US invades Iran and the oil prices go down I'll support your war on terror.

Driving an 8 cylinder car > millions of lifes.
when US invades iran the oil price will be like 150Dollar...
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Old 09-14-2007, 06:30 PM   #18 (permalink)

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I say keep buying it at $80+ a barrel for a few more years, just to get those coutries nice an hooked on the huge income. Then screw them by passing laws forcing us to use alternative fuel resources, and pressure other coutries to follow suit.

The "oil" countries will see their national product be cut to 1/3rd, and their socialist societies will completely crumble! LMFAO
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