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Old 09-13-2007, 12:44 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Oil Hits $80+ on Refinery Outages

Hopefully this will raise the demand for alternate fuel sources even more. It seems the higher the price goes, the more buzz you hear about new sources of energy.

I remember a 2 or 3 years ago, an analyst being crucified on CNN or Fox for prediciting $100 oil, but now that does not seem to far off.

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NEW YORK (AP) - Oil prices briefly hit a record high and gasoline futures rose Thursday as refiners reported production problems after Hurricane Humberto hit Texas.
Oil first traded over $80 a barrel on Wednesday after the Energy Department reported declines in crude and gasoline inventories and refinery activity last week.

But in addition to supply concerns, Humberto and a developing storm in the Atlantic were supporting prices Thursday.

Several refineries in the Port Arthur, Texas, area were shut due to a widespread power outage. They included Valero Energy Corp.'s 325,000 barrel-per-day facility, Total SA's 180,000 barrel-per-day plant and Motiva Enterprises LLC's refinery with a capacity of 285,000 barrels of product a day.

Exxon Mobil Corp. said its Beaumont, Texas, refinery that produces 350,000 barrels per day suffered a minor production outage but remained up and running.

Traders appear more concerned about an Atlantic storm which the National Hurricane Center is calling Tropical Depression Eight. While the storm's course remains unclear, energy investors get worried any time a tropical storm or hurricane threatens key oil and gas infrastructure in the Gulf of Mexico.

Light, sweet crude for October delivery fell 29 cents to $79.62 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange after rising as high as $80.20 earlier, 2 cents above the previous intraday record set Wednesday.

October gasoline rose 0.61 cent to $2.0221 a gallon on Thursday.

The front-month oil contract first surpassed $80 on Wednesday before settling at a record of $79.91 a barrel. Despite its gains, oil is still well below inflation-adjusted highs hit in early 1980. Depending on the adjustment, a $38 barrel of oil in 1980 would be worth $96 to $101 or more today.

Oil's runup has come despite OPEC's decision on Tuesday to boost output by 500,000 barrels, a move driven in part by concerns that high oil prices are hurting the global economy. Many analysts are perplexed by the high prices, arguing that they have been driven by a flood of speculative buying. Many believe demand does not support such high prices.

"The world economy in the last few years has shown to be quite resilient to strong oil pricing, but this is certainly a new territory for crude oil and if sustained there is bound to be some impact on the economy," said Victor Shum, an energy analyst at Purvin & Gertz in Singapore.

James Cordier, president of Liberty Trading Group in Tampa, Fla., notes that oil prices often peak in September, and follow demand lower in the fall.

"We're really wondering where demand will come from to support $80 crude oil," Cordier said.

In other Nymex trading, heating oil futures lost 0.87 cent to $2.2104 a gallon, while natural gas lost 31.3 cents to $6.125 per 1,000 cubic feet after the government reported that inventories grew by 64 billion cubic feet last week, slightly more than the 62 billion cubic feet analysts had expected.

In London, October Brent crude fell 32 cents to $77.36 a barrel on the ICE futures exchange.

At the pump, meanwhile, gas prices slipped 0.7 cent overnight to a national average of $2.808 a gallon, according to AAA and the Oil Price Information Service. Retail prices, which typically lag the futures market, peaked at $3.227 a gallon in late May.

Analysts say much of the recent advance in crude prices has been due to buying by large investment funds. The low dollar, which encourages buying by foreign investors, has also played a role.

"Most large financial institutions have gone long on crude, and each new high tested equates to substantial profits," wrote Simon Wardell, an energy analyst at Global Insight in London, in a research note.

But such jumps in speculative buying often carry their own seeds of destruction, notes Jim Ritterbusch, president of Ritterbusch & Associates in Galena, Ill.

"At some point, a saturation level will be achieved as was the case at the end of July when the net long fund position peaked," Ritterbusch wrote.

After oil hit then-record trading prices above $78 a barrel on Aug. 1, futures dropped to the $69 level in a few weeks.

Despite oil's run, Cordier doesn't believe gas prices will rise substantially. Gasoline demand typically drops in the fall, and beginning Saturday, refiners will be able to sell cheaper winter-grade gasoline.

"Gasoline just really has a difficult time staying high this time of year," said Cordier.
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Why don't we build more refineries?
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Lol I LOVE the new avatar Mens Rea!
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Why don't we build more refineries?
Some b.s about it taking 20 years and cost hundreds of millions.

I think if they really wanted to build new refineries, with today's technology they could do it quicker and cheaper.
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Or you could try and steal the oil from the middle east.
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Or you could try and steal the oil from the middle east.
We're already doing that.

Now quite down, before we make a call to Putin to shut down your natural gas for a day or two.
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Haha the russians hate you so the chances of that are slim, half the top russians want to live in england (even thougth they are pissed with our government as well)
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Schlumberger, Conocophillips, Halliburton, Baker Hughes, Cameron Int., Chevron, McDermott Int....etc.

buy them all, they will be exploding and making outrageous profits over the next 5 years as the bigger diversified giants like Exxon, BR, Royal Dutch Shell and a few others struggle to keep their output at the same levels. They will have to pay more for the service now for exploration, drilling and shipping companies and they will need more outsourcing of it.
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Any excuse to raise gas prices........the companies gotta do it while they can because oil will not last forever....
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