[MicroBrew]

Originally Posted by Kerabatsos

Doesn't apply to enemy combatants caught waging war against our military overseas. The supreme court even ruled that this was the case.

I will admit that they need to hold military tribunals for people at gitmo, but OBL is a special case. he's alreadt admitted he did it.

If its a foreign enemy entity then they should be treated as POWs.

[Xenu]

Originally Posted by Kerabatsos

I will admit that they need to hold military tribunals for people at gitmo, but OBL is a special case. he's alreadt admitted he did it.

Great. This should be an open and shut case. Rule of law FTW.

[Kerabatsos]

Great. This should be an open and shut case. Rule of law FTW.

It was an act of war. Not a criminal act. Big difference.

[eworden78]

Originally Posted by Xenu

Great. This should be an open and shut case. Rule of law FTW.

John Mark Karr

[BadassHo]

Originally Posted by Xenu

Great. This should be an open and shut case. Rule of law FTW.

but its about osama, other detainees who dont admit guilt, thats fine.

but why waste the time with osama, it'd just be called a show trial or kangaroo court anyways, there's nothing we could do with him once caught that people wouldnt complain about.

[GermanBJJ]

Originally Posted by BadassHo

wow. lincoln found it neccessary to suspend habeas corpus for ameicans themselves in a time of war and crisis.

And America isn't in a civil war or crisis so what's your point?

Do I think Osama should have access to criminal courts if captured alive? Personally, I think so. I don't subscribe to the idea that some people are just such bad people that they shouldn't be given a fair trial.

Military tribunals exist because it is not practical to hold trials for tens of thousands of captured troops one at a time, particularly when the evidence is against the group and not a particular individual.

But when a single person is captured, it's only civilized to have a trial. Only tyrannies don't try individuals fairly.

But he will probably be tried by Afghanistan or Pakistan or have a bomb dropped on his head so I don't know if this will even be an issue.

[BadassHo]

Originally Posted by GermanBJJ

And America isn't in a civil war or crisis so what's your point?

Do I think Osama should have access to criminal courts if captured alive? Personally, I think so. I don't subscribe to the idea that some people are just such bad people that they shouldn't be given a fair trial.

Military tribunals exist because it is not practical to hold trials for tens of thousands of captured troops one at a time, particularly when the evidence is against the group and not a particular individual.

But when a single person is captured, it's only civilized to have a trial. Only tyrannies don't try individuals fairly.

But he will probably be tried by Afghanistan or Pakistan or have a bomb dropped on his head so I don't know if this will even be an issue.

my point is, he isnt even american but attacked americans and some want to give him these rights. lincoln of all people saw americans as not needing these rights for a duration of time.


and you dont think there are such bad people out there that they shouldnt be given a fair trial, some people are very bad, and very very very rich, and any trial will probably get them off the hook.

[eworden78]

Originally Posted by BadassHo

my point is, he isnt even american but attacked americans and some want to give him these rights. lincoln of all people saw americans as not needing these rights for a duration of time.


and you dont think there are such bad people out there that they shouldnt be given a fair trial, some people are very bad, and very very very rich, and any trial will probably get them off the hook.

The trial is for determining if a guy is very bad. Like my example a few post ago, admitting that you are bad does not necessarily mean you are bad.

Thats why we have trials.

[Kerabatsos]

The trial is for determining if a guy is very bad. Like my example a few post ago, admitting that you are bad does not necessarily mean you are bad.

Thats why we have trials.

We're talking about Osama Bin laden here.

Stop being an asshat

[smasheroffaces]

yah those terrorists deserve the best lawyers our nation can come up with. i mean its not like they killed anyone. this country is done its been deballed. if hitler was alive today he would have a talk show on npr