[chokeyou]

Originally Posted by Hog-train

It's easy to label Kim-Il Jong as some nutjob but in actuality he is a very smart and shrewd person. Yes, he is a ruthless dictator... a murdering tyrant... but he is not insane as he is often labeled. Above all else, he wants to ensure the survival and security of his regime. That is his main goal. Secondly, reunification of the Korean peninsula is the ultimate goal. (both South and North Koreans want this)

Therefore, it is really retarded to get all worked up about N. Korea being a nuclear threat. They will not use it unless they have no choice. Unless they are threatened with the extinction of their regime, there is no chance in hell they would. If the US did anything to destabilize the situation (such as airstrikes on N. Korea), S. Korea would be screwed. The capital, Seoul, is very close and in firing range of the whole N. Korean conventional arsenal. The DMZ line is the most heavily fortified military front in the world.

Although S. Korea is our ally, many of their citizens rate the US as one of the leading threats to their security. Contrary to muchpropaganda, S. and N. korea do not want war with each other.

I would be willing to say a nuclear n korea is MUCH more of a threat to south korea than america is.
It would also be a huge threat to japan, and the us. Is that something retarded to get worked up over? You called him a ruthless dictator and a murdering tyrant and then you ask what the big deal is with him having nuclear weapons? You're the one who sounds retarded.

[Hog-train]

Originally Posted by chokeyou

I would be willing to say a nuclear n korea is MUCH more of a threat to south korea than america is.
It would also be a huge threat to japan, and the us. Is that something retarded to get worked up over? You called him a ruthless dictator and a murdering tyrant and then you ask what the big deal is with him having nuclear weapons? You're the one who sounds retarded.

Yea, well the South Korean people seem to disagree with your view. Do you have any special insider info that their government doesn't know?

The people of South Korea seem to think that the US meddling is a greater threat to their security than the N. Koreans. Recent polls reflect this view. In fact, the current president favors appeasement much more than the confrontational stance of the US.

[stevus]

We're way over-extended in Iraq, nobody believes anything out of Bush's mouth anymore; therefore, North Korea will test their nukes, despite empty threats similar to those given to Iran.

Bush: "Stop right now or else"
North Korea: "No"
Bush: "Ok you got two months to stop"
*2 months later*
Bush: "Stop right now or else"
North Korea: "No"
Bush: Ok you got two more months to stop or possible sanctions"
*No one else wants to do sanctions*
Bush: You got more two months to stop or we're serious this time"
North Korea: "Laughs out loud"

You can interchange North Korea with Iran too.

[Dooky]

Originally Posted by The Technical

Ive read here before that Japan has developed everything short of the a bomb; if this is true I see them getting "nucular" in less than a year.

This reminds me of the rumor that the PS2 was made of Scrap Missle parts.

[J-Fight]

Originally Posted by ChiefStrategist

It's not a bribe man, it's telling Kim Jong Il that he is a legitimate leader and a world player. He isn't, and he's not. Kim's countrymen and women are eating TREE BARK off of TREES because Kim spends so much on his military and his palace, that North Koreans have nothing to eat. They are starving thier people (Think Mao's Great Leap Forward), they are abusing the people of North Korea by conducting horrific experiments on political prisoners.

Who cares? Giving him the technology is telling him that he is legitimate...and he is a ruthless little thug with the know how of a 3 year old....And you want to legitimize his leadership because you disagree with Iraq?

Good to know, this isn't a political issue with you (vs. W)

The six party talks has done nothing to stop N.Korea from developing nukes, nor has it helped the impoverished people there. I hold Bush responsible because, as Kerry stated in the debates, bi-lateral talks - striking a deal with Kim Jong Il - is the only way to stop nuclear proliferation. It isn't legimitizing him as much as realizing this is the only solution. I use the cost of the Iraq occuation - some $2 billion/week - as a barometer to recognize that an incentives package is not the worst thing we could do.

[Te(V)plar]

Originally Posted by Hog-train

Yea, well the South Korean people seem to disagree with your view. Do you have any special insider info that their government doesn't know?

The people of South Korea seem to think that the US meddling is a greater threat to their security than the N. Koreans. Recent polls reflect this view. In fact, the current president favors appeasement much more than the confrontational stance of the US.

What the fuck do I care about what south koreans think? America (along with many other nations) are much better off with N. Korea not having nukes. As for the S. Koreans, they tend to have their heads up their ass. They hate the US but come crying to us whenever someone threatens them.

[Ncharge]

Originally Posted by Das Uberdog

North Korea should conduct a food test.. like, see what it's like having food..

Unfortuantely, the civilians will never see the results of such tests.

[Ncharge]

Originally Posted by Te(V)plar

What the fuck do I care about what south koreans think? America (along with many other nations) are much better off with N. Korea not having nukes. As for the S. Koreans, they tend to have their heads up their ass. They hate the US but come crying to us whenever someone threatens them.

Actually, that's not completely true. You will find the older generation who lived thru the war and post war poverty to be extremely pro-American. The people who mostly resent the US are the younger generation who missed the war and the college educated. Part of the reason is due to the struggle in economy. Many would feel the country would be stronger and more prosperous if the 2 Koreas were joined. The older folks want no part of that. SK is really divided on their opinions of the US and what it's doing to their country. You will find the older generation are very greatful and still loyal to the US and fully support them. It is mostly the young who resent America's roll in their history and blame the US for the separation and current economic disaster of the 2 countries.

[chokeyou]

Originally Posted by Hog-train

Yea, well the South Korean people seem to disagree with your view. Do you have any special insider info that their government doesn't know?

The people of South Korea seem to think that the US meddling is a greater threat to their security than the N. Koreans. Recent polls reflect this view. In fact, the current president favors appeasement much more than the confrontational stance of the US.

first of all, the south koreans don't want the north koreans to get the nuke more than anyone else, thats why they are involved in the talks to stop n korea from getting them. Why don't you go take a poll and find out how many s koreans want n korea to have nukes. I don't have any inside info, its all over every news site in the world. What the hell does S koreans view of the US have anything to do with this? Are you saying the world should let N korea have nukes because some south koreans view america as a threat? You sir are the one with retarded reasoning.

[Hog-train]

Originally Posted by chokeyou

first of all, the south koreans don't want the north koreans to get the nuke more than anyone else, thats why they are involved in the talks to stop n korea from getting them. Why don't you go take a poll and find out how many s koreans want n korea to have nukes. I don't have any inside info, its all over every news site in the world. What the hell does S koreans view of the US have anything to do with this? Are you saying the world should let N korea have nukes because some south koreans view america as a threat? You sir are the one with retarded reasoning.

Of course the S. Koreans do not want N. Korea to have nukes. My point is N. Korea would only use nukes/go to war unless provoked. That is why many S. Koreans are worried about the American's confrontational stance against N. Korea.

Originally Posted by Te(V)plar

What the fuck do I care about what south koreans think? America (along with many other nations) are much better off with N. Korea not having nukes. As for the S. Koreans, they tend to have their heads up their ass. They hate the US but come crying to us whenever someone threatens them.

South Korea sent about 300,000 soldiers to fight in Vietnam, the second-largest foreign presence fighting against the Communists. And there is division within the S. Koreans whether they want US bases in their country.