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Old 03-10-2006, 02:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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No Evidence al-Qaida Planned Madrid Attacks

No Evidence al-Qaida Planned Madrid Attacks
By PAUL HAVEN, AP
03/09/06 20:40 EST

MADRID, Spain (March 9) - A two-year probe into the Madrid train bombings concludes the Islamic terrorists who carried out the blasts were homegrown radicals acting on their own rather than at the behest of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network, two senior intelligence officials said.


Spain still remains home to a web of radical Algerian, Moroccan and Syrian groups bent on carrying out attacks - and aiding the insurgency against U.S. troops in Iraq - a Spanish intelligence chief and a Western official intimately involved in counterterrorism measures in Spain told The Associated Press.

The intelligence chief said there were no phone calls between the Madrid bombers and al-Qaida and no money transfers. The Western official said the plotters had links to other Islamic radicals in Western Europe, but the plan was hatched and organized in Spain. "This was not an al-Qaida operation," he said. "It was homegrown."

Both men spoke on condition of anonymity, the first because Spanish security officials are not allowed to discuss details of an ongoing investigation and the second due to the sensitive nature of his job.

The attack has been frequently described as al-Qaida-linked since a man who identified himself as Abu Dujan al-Afghani and said he was al-Qaida's "European military spokesman," claimed responsibility in a video released two days later.

Ahead of Saturday's anniversary of the March 11, 2004 blasts - which killed 191 people and wounded 1,500 - victims' groups have been clamoring for more progress in the investigation.

Gabriel Moris, whose 30-year-old son died in the bombings, said: "These past two years have done nothing to clear up what happened. My questions are simple: Who ordered the massacre? Who killed my son and the other innocent victims?"

The intelligence official said authorities know more than they have revealed, including the suspected ideological and operational masterminds of the attack.

"We haven't explained it well enough to the victims because we can't reveal judicial secrets," he said, adding the investigation is nearly complete.

Authorities believe the ideological mastermind was Serhan Ben Abdelmajid Fakhet, a Tunisian who blew himself up along with six other suspects when police surrounded their apartment three weeks after the bombings, and that Jamal Ahmidan, a Moroccan who also died that day, was the "military planner."

Law enforcement had focused on another man, Allekema Lamari, as the head of the group. But the official said evidence, particularly from wiretapped phone conversations, indicated it was Ahmidan who gave the military orders. Lamari also died in the apartment blast in a Madrid suburb as authorities closed in.

Some 116 people have been arrested in the bombings, and 24 remain jailed. At least three others - Said Berraj, Mohammed Belhadj and Daoud Ouhane - are sought by authorities, though all are believed to have fled Spain long ago. The intelligence official said the top planners are all either dead or in jail.

While the plotters of the Madrid attack were likely motivated by bin Laden's October 2003 call for attacks on European countries that supported the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, there is no evidence they were in contact with the al-Qaida leader's inner circle, the intelligence official said.

Most of the plotters were Moroccan and Syrian immigrants, many with criminal records in Spain for drug trafficking and other crimes. They paid for explosives used in the attack with hashish.

That is a far cry from the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States - allegedly planned by al-Qaida leaders like Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh and funded directly by the terror network through international wire transfers and Islamic banking schemes.

Paul Wilkinson, chairman of the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at the University of St. Andrews, in Scotland, said the model used in Madrid, and likely for the July 7 London transport bombings fits in well with al-Qaida's business plan.

"Al-Qaida is not and never was a topdown organization that did everything in terms of attacks around the world. They have a key role in ideological terms ... but they rely on local cells and those that are inspired to carry out these attacks," he said.

After the fact, bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahri are happy to claim responsibility because they recognize the carnage as inspired by their movement.

Still, Wilkinson cautioned that just because no direct link has been established between the Madrid plotters and al-Qaida, it doesn't mean none exists. "If security officials knew everything that was going on, we would have caught Osama bin Laden by now," he said.

Both the Spanish intelligence chief and the Western official said there is reason for concern despite the lack of a direct al-Qaida connection.

"There were a lot of moving parts to the March 11 plot, but we were still not able to detect it, and that is scary because a similar thing could happen again," said the Western counterterrorism official. "Since March 11, there have been plans for other significant attacks that the Spanish have disrupted."

Those plans include a scheme in late 2004 to bomb buildings in Barcelona, including the 1992 Olympic village and office towers known as the city's World Trade Center complex. Police also thwarted a 2004 plot by Moroccan and Algerian militants to level Madrid's National Court - a hub for anti-terror investigations - with a 1,100-pound truck bomb.

And agents specializing in Islamic terrorism have arrested dozens of suspects - all allegedly working to recruit potential suicide bombers for the Iraq insurgency.

At least two Spanish citizens - including March 11 suspect Mohammed Afalah - are believed to have blown themselves up in Iraq, and an investigation by the respected El Pais daily revealed some 80 others have traveled to the country in recent months intending to do the same.

The intelligence official said the March 11 attacks were a wakeup call, and authorities are much better prepared now to stop Islamic terrorism. But he said the bombings show how easy it is for those bent on terrorism to carry out attacks.

He said authorities believe the Madrid bombers learned how to construct the bombs - all connected to Mitsubishi Trium T110 mobile phones - from Internet sites linked to radical Islamic groups. The devices were similar to ones used in the 2002 Bali bombing, he said, evidence that militants in both countries got information on the same radical Web sites.

Spanish authorities were monitoring several of the bombers in the months before the attack - and actually stopped Ahmidan's car on a highway in late February, unaware he was leading a caravan of other terrorists transporting the explosives used in the blasts.

The intelligence official said authorities had never imagined a group of petty drug traffickers were capable of planning such a massive attack.

"Had we been told a day before (the bombing) that this is what was going on, we would have dismissed it," he said.

AP correspondent Mar Roman in Madrid contributed to this report.


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So, yet another false flag operation > http://www.vialls.com/myahudi/madrid.html
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Ive always had a suspicion that there really was no heirarchy in AQ, that its a decentralized movement which doesnt operate by global campaigns, but based on the dynamics of a free group. Bin Ladin and the high people just take credit for all the stuff.
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Shortly after the bombings, Spain pulled it's soldiers from Iraq. If you ever need anything from Spain just blow something up and cause human loss. We all know the real basis for the war was not for WMD but letting a small faction of terror dictate the actions of your country is shameful.
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Now we can take another look at the pictures at the top of this page. Obviously by now you have found the first clue, i.e. that there was no fire at any of the ten blast sites, proving in turn that high-order military explosives were used in considerable quantities. Smuggling anything up to 500 pounds of very low specific gravity C4 into Spain would be extremely difficult nowadays, unless of course you already owned or controlled discrete facilities not normally inspected by Spanish Customs or the Police. It seems likely that even the most cynical of readers will be prepared to admit that ten big bearded Muslims, trying to lug giant haversacks of explosives into the country, would be instantly detected by even the most intellectually-challenged of customs officers.
The second clue relates to the pattern of the blast. If you look very carefully, you will note that some of the fragments buried in the shredded roof panels, are in fact shrapnel from the floor of the carriage itself. Without going into too much technical detail [there is plenty of that for reference in the Bali report linked below], it is impossible for bits of the floor to become embedded in the roof, unless the charges were fixed BELOW the floor before detonation. This is borne out by the fact that the train disabled outside Atocha station had its back completely broken in two different places. Once again, haversack charges casually placed on top of the internal floor, would be completely incapable of shattering the strong steel longitudinal support girders running the entire length of the chassis of each carriage.
Because it is impossible to attach sophisticated explosive charges on the underside of moving trains, obviously they were placed on the rolling stock under cover of darkness, while the trains were stationary during the night. This brings us to the next major illusion, uncovered by me after a series of very expensive calls from unlisted mobile phones. Though the western media deliberately led you to believe that these trains were 'just passing through' on continual services, that is not the case. Every one of the four trains were 'first service', i.e. each was making its first run of the day from its respective overnight depot, after being serviced and cleaned.

Madrid 'Terror Suspects' Did NOT Conveniently Commit Suicide
Clear photos taken immediately after the blast prove that this was an expert demolition job. The thin front walls of the Madrid apartment block have been neatly blown out with light frame charges, leaving the pillars, floors and rear walls in pristine condition, unmarked by soot. Pay special attention to the painting on the inside wall in the right-hand photo. It is covered with fragile 3-mm glass, which is not even cracked.

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We all know the real basis for the war was not for WMD but letting a small faction of terror dictate the actions of your country is shameful.
Reading that sentence over and over again, trying to understand its meaning, is like a mindfuck.
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Reading that sentence over and over again, trying to understand its meaning, is like a mindfuck.
Ahem. The initial reasons for the Iraq war was not a war based on defense like the original premise but a war to gain control of crude supplements therefore making it unpopular and a huge farce. Spain's citizens were not in favor but the country sent their troops to aide the US led invasion. Once the Madrid bombings occurred the country immediately withdrew it's troops for fear of further actions against them. Hence, letting a small faction of terror dictate the actions of your government is shameful, cowardice at best.
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Hence, letting a small faction of terror dictate the actions of your government is shameful, cowardice at best.
I dont think so, you could argue on the premise of consistency or loyalty towards allies, but sending spanish troops to Iraq was a greatly unpopular decision, pulling them back is just enforcing the will of the people, which stood like that since the beginning.

You have no case against Spain as a country, only against their government. They tried to ride the `USA support` train and got fucked.
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You have no case against Spain as a country, only against their government. They tried to ride the `USA support` train and got fucked.[/quote]

That last sentence gave me a good chuckle, no sarcasm. Grant it was an unpopular decision amongst the people but why do so immediately after the Madrid bombings? Not a coincidence. The message was clear.
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That last sentence gave me a good chuckle, no sarcasm. Grant it was an unpopular decision amongst the people but why do so immediately after the Madrid bombings? Not a coincidence. The message was clear.
I dont think the popular opinion of spanish military in Iraq changed much amongst the people, the government simply understood that after the attack it would be impossible to continue.
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I dont think the popular opinion of spanish military in Iraq changed much amongst the people, the government simply understood that after the attack it would be impossible to continue.
Would you say the same thing if AQ hit us again with another devastating terror act (i.e. 9/11) and then the US government pulled it's troops out of Iraq?
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