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Old 09-07-2007, 04:35 PM   #1 (permalink)

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new bin laden speech transcript

It is in pdf form, it is kinda grainy so you have to zoom in a bit to see it well, but it is worth reading. Bin Laden comes across as much more pragmatic and intellectual than in his previous speeches, and does his best to make a damning argument against America and the capitalist system in general.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/transcript2.pdf
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Old 09-07-2007, 04:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Bin Laden comes across as much more pragmatic and intellectual than in his previous speeches
He's actually always been quite well spoken and intellectual, though not so pragmatic. This should be an interesting read.

Too bad he's a religious nut. The same arguments articulated in a more secular context would be harder to dismiss in the Western world. His target audience is the Muslim world so I guess that's a moot point though.
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Old 09-07-2007, 04:42 PM   #3 (permalink)

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No matter how polished he may come across or even have some legitimate points, in the end he says Americans should covnert to Islam which to me pretty much shows him for what he is, a cultural supremacist who wants peoples of other races,cultures to bow down and believe in the god of his culture.He ain't no different to other genocidal racists.
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Screw Osama Bin Laden, he can get his a$$ blown to bits for all I care.
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I find it rather amusing that he seems to be attempting to reason with the American public...

Does he not realize that whatever he says will instantly be seen as wrong?
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He's actually always been quite well spoken and intellectual, though not so pragmatic. This should be an interesting read.

Too bad he's a religious nut. The same arguments articulated in a more secular context would be harder to dismiss in the Western world. His target audience is the Muslim world so I guess that's a moot point though.
Similarly, the Unibomber Ted Kaczynski was very articulate and intelligent. His manifesto is certainly a very interesting read and actually a decent critique of conservatism, liberalism and modernity. Of course, he was also bat shit crazy. It's funny how that works.

I think that shows that the goodness of the means is just as relevant as the goodness of ideas. (The word "goodness" chosen for a reason.)
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No matter how polished he may come across or even have some legitimate points, in the end he says Americans should covnert to Islam which to me pretty much shows him for what he is, a cultural supremacist who wants peoples of other races,cultures to bow down and believe in the god of his culture.He ain't no different to other genocidal racists.
He is only different in the fact that he may actually be fighting a greater evil, which makes him sound more reasonable than he really is.

He sounds so willing to discuss things that its unnerving. Like he'd be fine with having a sit down with an American representative to sign a treaty of some sort. Unfortunately his treaty would about as uncompromising as Fedor's.

In another life/world, he may've been a great leader or revolutionary. Its a shame.
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Noam Chomsky reference there.

His info on Vietnam is strange, he asserts that Kennedy tried to stop the war. I thought Kennedy was the first to deploy troops?

Said Kennedy was killed for trying to end Vietnam, I thought the common conspiracy theory was that he was going to end national secrecy and reform the NSA,FBI and CIA.
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It's odd how, like so much critical theory, his analysis of problems tend to be accurate, thoughtful and pointed, while on the other hand his actual proposals for political action are murderous lunacy. I guess in that respect he is similar to the Unabomber.
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It is in pdf form, it is kinda grainy so you have to zoom in a bit to see it well, but it is worth reading. Bin Laden comes across as much more pragmatic and intellectual than in his previous speeches, and does his best to make a damning argument against America and the capitalist system in general.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/transcript2.pdf
CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden appeared for the first time in three years in a video Friday released ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, telling Americans they should convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end.

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The 30-minute video was obtained by the SITE Institute, a Washington-based group that monitors terror messages. American officials said the U.S. government had obtained a copy earlier and intelligence agencies were studying the video to determine whether it was authentic.

In the video, which was broadcast to the Arab world by Al-Jazeera television, bin Laden sits as he talks, wearing a white robe and turban and beige cloak seated behind a table while reading an address to the American people from papers in front of him.

His trimmed beard is shorter than in his last video, in 2004, and is fully black — apparently dyed, since in past videos it was mostly gray. He speaks softly, as he usually does, and has dark bags under his eyes but appears healthy.

The footage gives a rare look at the al-Qaida leader, who has likely avoided appearing in videos as a security measure. His emergence comes at a time when terrorism experts believe his terror network is regrouping in the lawless Pakistan-Afghanistan border region.

Bin Laden makes no overt threats and does not directly call for attacks, according to the transcript, which was first posted on ABC's Web site.

Instead, he addresses Americans, lecturing them on the failures of their leaders to stop the war in Iraq despite growing public opposition in the U.S.

"There are two solutions to stopping it. One is from our side, and it is to escalate the fighting and killing against you. This is our duty, and our brothers are carrying it out," bin Laden said.

"The second solution is from your side," he said. "I invite you to embrace Islam."

"It will also achieve your desire to stop the war as a consequence, because as soon as the warmongering owners of the major corporations realize that you have lost confidence in your democratic system and have begun to look for an alternative, and this alternative is Islam, they will run after you to please you and achieve what you want to steer you away from Islam," he said.

He derides President Bush, saying the American leader is backing Shiites against Sunnis in Iraq. But, bin Laden said, events in Iraq have gotten "out of control" and Bush is "like the one who plows and sows the sea: He harvests nothing but failure."

Bin Laden said the prestige of mujahedeen — Islamic holy warriors — has "grown globally" while America has been "bled dry economically."

The video appeared to have been recently made, since bin Laden refers to the Democratic Party's congressional victory in last fall's election and to French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who was elected in May.

The transcript also praises the American political activist and author Noam Chomsky, mentions global warming and refers to the Aug. 6 anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima during World War II.

Al-Qaida annually uses the anniversary of the Sept. 11 suicide attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as a propaganda opportunity, issuing videotapes to rally supporters and mock the United States.

But the appearance of bin Laden this year makes a bigger splash. The al-Qaida leader had not appeared in new video footage since October 2004, and he had not put out an audiotape in more than a year, his longest period without a message.

Seth Jones, a terrorism expert at the RAND think tank, said that while the anniversary gives the pretext for the tape, it also comes at a time when the main al-Qaida leadership has managed to regroup.

"There clearly has been a resurgence of core al-Qaida in the tribal areas of Pakistan" along the frontier with Afghanistan since 2005, Jones said.

He said sympathy in that region for the Taliban has made it "more conducive to militant Sunni groups, including al-Qaida."

"It's really created a sanctuary," Jones said.

Rita Katz, director of the SITE Institute, said she believes "strongly that al-Qaida has regrouped" but that their headquarters are more diffuse than they used to be, comprising several training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

She said it was likely that bin Laden is hidden in a more secure location, away from any of those sites.

The United States intercepted the video before it was released on Islamic Web sites where al-Qaida usually posts its messages, a U.S. counterterrorism official said in Washington. U.S. officials had analyzed the video for hours before transcripts and videos were leaked, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

The official said analysts were studying bin Laden's physical characteristics — for clues about his health after unconfirmed rumors earlier this year that he had died of kidney disease.

White House deputy press secretary Tony Fratto declined to comment on the video until it had been fully analyzed, except to say it was a reminder of the continuing terrorist threat.

"This is why we need to be more vigilant and more persistent in our pursuit of terrorists," Fratto said. "We will continue to pursue them. And it reminds us that we need to be certain that our intelligence professionals have all the tools they need to continue to disrupt their activities."

The Homeland Security Department said it had no credible information warning of an imminent threat to the United States.

Soon after word emerged that the United States had the video, Islamic militant Web sites that usually carry statements from al-Qaida went down and were inaccessible. The reason for the shutdown was not immediately known.

Evan H. Kohlmann, a terrorism expert at globalterroralert.com, said he suspected it was the work of al-Qaida itself, trying to find how the video leaked to U.S. officials.

"For them this is totally disruptive that the U.S. government could have a copy before their targeted audience does," he said. "They could be concerned and trying to plug the leak quickly."

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