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Old 11-27-2006, 09:43 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Netherlands: Party for Freedom kingmaker in next government

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/66d0a912-7db...0779e2340.html

As Jan Peter Balkenende sets about building a coalition government in the Netherlands after last week's general election, he faces the prospect of a shift in government policy.

The election reflected a surge in support for parties on the far right and left, and a fall in the number of seats held by centrist parties. While Mr Balkenende, as the head of the single largest party, the Christian Democrat Alliance, is likely to continue as prime minister, a coalition of at least three political parties is inevitable.

The most likely outcome is a coalition of CDA, Social Democrats [PvdA] and either ChristenUnie, a small religious party, or the leftwing Socialist party.

The inclusion of the Socialist party could trigger a foreign policy shift. The party demands a withdrawal of Dutch troops from Afghanistan, where they are part of a Nato mission, and opposes an attempt to revive the European Union's constitutional treaty, rejected in a referendum last year.

The PvdA wants to halt plans to privatise Amsterdam's Schiphol airport and Dutch involvement in the US-led production of the Joint Strike Fighter aircraft, in which Dutch business has invested hundreds of millions of euros.

There are deep divisions over taxes, which have made Dutch employers wary of a leftwing government bias, people close to the employers' federation have said.

A CDA, PvdA and SP coalition was the public's preferred choice in a weekend opinion poll for Dutch television. The Socialists won 25 seats, compared with nine in 2003, after the final tally of votes. PvdA won 33, nine fewer than in 2003.

De Volkskrant, the left-leaning newspaper, warned in a weekend editorial that a cabinet including the CDA and SP would mean a "powerless, bickering" government. The newspaper said the only viable option was a CDA, PvdA and Christen-Unie coalition.

But political commentators said the process of building a coalition could drag on into the new year.

At the weekend Queen Beatrix appointed Rein Jan Hoekstra, a 65-year-old civil servant, as "informateur". Mr Hoekstra, who advised Ruud Lubbers, the former Dutch prime minister, and heads a CDA research institute, must mediate among party leaders and attempt to reach agreement on the shape of a coalition.

If Mr Balkenende's fourth government in less than five years is to fare better than his previous administrations, which were dogged by political feuding, he will have to compromise.

The process will test the Dutch "polder model", a consensus-based system in which rivals co-operate in times of crisis. Even if the Socialists do not make it to government, Mr Balken-ende's new allies will level tough demands.

Both PvdA and Christen-Unie want a general pardon for 26,000 failed asylum seekers resident in the Netherlands, a move resisted by Mr Balkenende's previous centre-right government.

To further complicate matters, Geert Wilders, the far-right anti-Islam politician whose one-man party won nine seats, is likely to insist on talks to form a centre-right alliance with CDA, his Freedom party, the liberal VVD, and ChristenUnie.
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Geert Wilders is one of three Netherlanders who dared to speak out about the Islamification of their land. Two of them -- Pim Fortuyn and Theo Van Gogh -- were murdered.

Wilders himself has been subjected to scores of death threats from Islamists, and his seat in parliament had to be moved to make it harder for would-be assassins to get him. Late in 2004 two commandos of the Islamist Hofstadgroep were nabbed in the midst of an attempt to murder Wilders and were arrested after an hour-long siege in The Hague. The Hofstadgroep is a cell of a Europe-wide network of Muslims who were also planning a mass slaughter of Netherlands parliamentarians, immigrant-loving Wouter Bos among them.
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Old 11-27-2006, 10:12 PM   #3 (permalink)

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Depth are you religious? I don't really have anything to add to your thread but Evil Eye Gouger and I have a disagreement as to whether or not you are a religous man. I would appreciate your help so that Evil Eye Gouger and I can come to a peacful agreement.


* Oh just so you know, I am the one who thinks you are religious.
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so the islamists were qoing to kill most dutch parlamentarians?? right, left and center?

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only one thing the dutch can do now...

kill the islamists right depth?
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Old 11-28-2006, 06:01 AM   #5 (permalink)

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Depth are you religious? I don't really have anything to add to your thread but Evil Eye Gouger and I have a disagreement as to whether or not you are a religous man. I would appreciate your help so that Evil Eye Gouger and I can come to a peacful agreement.


* Oh just so you know, I am the one who thinks you are religious.
Well, National Socialism is a type of religion.

So I can meet you there.
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Old 11-28-2006, 08:57 PM   #6 (permalink)

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Seriously, I recall Depth talking about hanging out with friends at church. Religious people who restrict their circle of friends to their own church are usually hardcore religious individuals that want no outside influence from what they know and hold dear. Depth is religious. He has a typical church going conservative point of veiw, the only difference is that Depth is very vocal about his beliefs while others wish not to comment.
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Seriously, I recall Depth talking about hanging out with friends at church. Religious people who restrict their circle of friends to their own church are usually hardcore religious individuals that want no outside influence from what they know and hold dear. Depth is religious. He has a typical church going conservative point of veiw, the only difference is that Depth is very vocal about his beliefs while others wish not to comment.

I go to Church (not as much as I should) and believe, but I'm not going to let people walk all over me, like other Christians do. I wouldn't say I have the "typical church going conservative point of view" either. I believe all Christians should be a little more proactive to contain the negative influences seeping out of the Middle East, that's all.
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Old 11-29-2006, 12:52 AM   #8 (permalink)

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I go to Church (not as much as I should) and believe, but I'm not going to let people walk all over me, like other Christians do. I wouldn't say I have the "typical church going conservative point of view" either. I believe all Christians should be a little more proactive to contain the negative influences seeping out of the Middle East, that's all.
Evil Eye Gouger, I hope you see this^^.

I think you will find, most people who regularily attend church services in the Christian church, although not as vocal as Depth, probably harbour similar feelings about Islam. I am positive Depth is not driven by some racial agenda and to call him "nazi" is incorrect. He has advocated his support for Isreal many times, a "Nazi" wouldn't do that.

Thanks for replying Depth.


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Evil Eye Gouger, I hope you see this^^.

I think you will find, most people who regularily attend church services in the Christian church, although not as vocal as Depth, probably harbour similar feelings about Islam. I am positive Depth is not driven by some racial agenda and to call him "nazi" is incorrect. He has advocated his support for Isreal many times, a "Nazi" wouldn't do that.
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Now, Evil Eye Gouger, I do believe you owe me a drink now.
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EEG, trust me, Christian churches are full of all sorts...good and bad. Many, many bad. It's also filled with alot of hatred towards others, veiled under some form of religious reasoning. It's not impossible that his views are fueled by religious ideals.

Getting Depth to reply is no small accomplishment, I think I deserve a drink for that.
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