[Nr9]

Originally Posted by DrSatanDracula

Got any good sources to back this up?

there is a lot of evidence. for example, ancient writings have grammar closer to Min and flow much better when read in Min than Mandarin

[Mekong Delta]

Mandarin didn't become wide-spread until Ming dynasty, and was finally standardized as national dialect after 1949. Believe it or not, cantonese actually sounds closer to ancient Chinese pronounciation than Mandarin. But as long as they inherited the writen code, who cares how they say it.

[Nr9]

Originally Posted by Mekong Delta

Mandarin didn't become wide-spread until Ming dynasty, and was finally standardized as national dialect after 1949. Believe it or not, cantonese actually sounds closer to ancient Chinese pronounciation than Mandarin. But as long as they inherited the writen code, who cares how they say it.

and mandarin is different enough that it should be viewed as a completely different language from a different ethnic group. Actually min is even closer to shang gu chinese than cantonese

[DrSatanDracula]

Nr9:

I was refering to specific sources.

I'd like to read up on this.

[Nr9]

Originally Posted by DrSatanDracula

Nr9:

I was refering to specific sources.

I'd like to read up on this.

i cant really find english sources, but this is one of them

http://www.tailingua.com/news/category/southern-min/

据香港大公报报 道，闽南话历史悠久，文化底蕴深厚，是东南部最早的汉语方言之一，被称为“古汉语活化 石”，广泛的分布在闽南、台湾、潮汕、海南等地区。

According to Hong Kong’s Ta Kung Pao newspaper Southern Min has a long established history, bringing together a profound culture and South-Eastern China’s oldest Chinese topolect, which has been dubbed a “living fossil of Ancient Chinese” and is spoken in Southern Fujian, Taiwan, Chaoshan and Hainan, amongst other places.

also: min culture dating back fromthe han dynasty as royal palace music:
http://www.sino-w.org/node/281/

[baka_survivor]

I thought the monkey king with that gay ass monk brought back the mandarin language from India.

And they traveled by a magic cloud with Bejita and Piccolo.

[Lubaolong]

Originally Posted by Nr9

where is the evidence that middle chinese is directly derived from old chinese. for all we know, it is the language of the northern barbarians with influences from old chinese. certainly it is different enough that it is plausible to assume so.

min on the other hand is what most closely resembles what confucius used to speak and therefore the min people are the true descendants of the huangdi. mandarin han are just jealous.

I speak fairly decent Min myself. I guess the Mandarin-speaking Han Chinese are jealous of my Chineseness.

[InternetHero]

Originally Posted by Nr9

no, its cuz the han conquered the min and then said that the min were han even though it was the min that was in charge from 2000BC to 500AD

The Mn WERE ethnically HAN Chinese so it really doesn't matter. Is there any point to this? lol It's the same freaking ethnic group so they weren't the "original chinese" they were the same Chinese with a different language.

[Lubaolong]

Originally Posted by InternetHero

The Mn WERE ethnically HAN Chinese so it really doesn't matter. Is there any point to this? lol It's the same freaking ethnic group so they weren't the "original chinese" they were the same Chinese with a different language.

Pretty much. Nr9 has been making a lot of ridiculous threads lately.

[InternetHero]

Originally Posted by Lubaolong

Pretty much. Nr9 has been making a lot of ridiculous threads lately.

Yeah he's trolling, but at least it's pretty damn funny.