[christiancore]

Originally Posted by Foulsmeller

The liberal agenda brought to its logical end.

it seems as though they have good intentions at first that just go stupidly wrong so much of the time.

they need to realize that people don't need the governments to run their lives. that's what has made this country so lazy to begin with.

[Carnie]

I was pretty damn sure there was a way where kids could get it without informing the parents. That was what they spent 10 minutes talking about on CNN. That was the whole debate. If not, then there shouldn't be any debate because no respectable parent would allow the school to be supporting the kids with birth control pills.

[Piper]

Originally Posted by Carnie

Middle School in Maine to hand out birth control pills to students as young as 11 without parents' consent. I just picked this up in CNN right now. How do you feel about this? They've already been handing out condoms, but now moving up to birth control pills.

Is this a good idea? Isn't this sending the wrong message to pre-teen girls to engage in sexual activity at such a young age? Do you consider this morally "wrong?"

Everyone should check what is being put into bills in their own states. I was at a voter awareness seminar a couple of weeks ago, and this type of stuff is being pushed all over. There is an agenda underway to use such laws to put a wedge between children and their parents, particularly through the public/government schools.

Those laws and schools should be confronted by parents/voters.

ALSO, law centers should start preparing the ground for lawsuits against schools and individuals within them that implement ways of facilitating/condoning/enabling sex by minors without parents' notice or consent. If a minor contracts disease or psychological damage or character defamation, as a consequence of this enabling, then everyone involved should be sued with very heavy punitive damages.

EVERYONE should be supporting the change in the law, too, for school vouchers, so all parents can choose what schools the see are best for their children, and not stuck with a dirty public school with an anti-parent agenda. In the meantime, if you can afford it, put your kids into decent private schools or home school.

[christiancore]

Originally Posted by Carnie

I was pretty damn sure there was a way where kids could get it without informing the parents. That was what they spent 10 minutes talking about on CNN. That was the whole debate. If not, then there shouldn't be any debate because no respectable parent would allow the school to be supporting the kids with birth control pills.

and we agree here.

like i said earlier, here in Tn they can go to the health dept. and get BC w/o parental consent. i think the real argument here is the fact that this is no place for the schools to be advising on. it's the parents job.

[Carnie]

Students who have parental permission to be treated at King Middle School's health center would be able to get birth control prescriptions under a proposal that the Portland School Committee will consider Wednesday.

The proposal would build on the King Student Health Center's practice of providing condoms as part of its reproductive health program since it opened in 2000, said Lisa Belanger, a nurse practitioner who oversees the city's student health centers.

If the committee approves the King proposal, it would be the first middle school in Maine to make a full range of contraception available to some students in grades 6 to 8, said Nancy Birkhimer, director of teen health programs for the Maine Department of Health and Human Services. Most middle schoolers are ages 11-13.

Although students must have written parental permission to be treated at Portland's school-based health centers, state law allows them to seek confidential health care and to decide whether to inform their parents about the services they receive, Belanger said.

Proponents say a small number of King students are sexually active, but those who are need better access to birth control.

Of 134 students who visited King's health center during the 2006-07 school year, five students, or 4 percent, reported having sexual intercourse, said Amanda Rowe, lead nurse in Portland's school health centers.

"This is a service that is totally needed," Rowe said. "It's about very few kids, but they are kids who don't have the same opportunities and access as other students."

The percentage of middle school students in Maine who reported having sexual intercourse dropped from 23 percent in 1997 to 13 percent in 2005, according to the Maine Youth Risk Behavior Survey.

"Thirteen percent is still more than one in 10 students," Birkhimer said.

The School Committee will meet at 7 p.m. in Room 250, Portland Arts and Technology High School, off Allen Avenue.

Robert O'Brien, who chairs the committee's policy subcommittee, said his panel has yet to discuss the proposal.

He declined to comment until after the matter has been aired.

The issue could stir controversy, as it has in the past.

"I'm personally fine with it, but I know some parents might not be," said Jennifer Southard, wife of City Councilor Edward Suslovic, who has two daughters at King. "I think information and access are good things. I would hope my children would come to me, but some students might not have that option."

The city's Division of Public Health, which made the birth- control proposal, operates seven health centers in Portland Public Schools in an effort to increase access to physical, dental and mental health care.

They are located at Portland High School, Deering High School, Casco Bay High School, King Middle School, West School special education program, and two elementary schools -- Reiche Community School and East End Community School.

The first centers opened in the high schools more than a decade ago, Belanger said.

There are 27 school-based health centers in Maine, 20 of which are funded and overseen by the state, including those in Portland, Birkhimer said.

There are more than 1,700 school-connected health centers in the United States.

One in four provides birth control ranging from condoms to prescription contraception, said Divya Mohan, spokeswoman for the National Assembly on School-Based Health Care.

Last year, Portland's program cost about $500,000 to operate, including state and foundation grants, MaineCare/Medicaid and private health insurance reimbursements, and in-kind contributions of space and services provided by the city, Belanger said.

Of 2,877 students eligible to attend Portland's seven health centers last year, 1,261, or 44 percent, were enrolled. The center at King, which has 510 students, enrolled 134 students and tallied 266 visits last year, Belanger said.

The health centers at Portland High, Deering High, Casco Bay High and West School have provided prescription contraception as part of overall primary health care since 2003, Belanger said.

The King Student Health Center has provided condoms since it opened in 2000, along with counseling and testing for pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases, she said.

Contraception would be prescribed after a physical examination by a physician or nurse practitioner, Belanger said.

Types of prescription birth control available through the health centers include contraceptive pills, patches or injections, as well as the morning-after pill. Diaphragms and IUDs are not usually prescribed, she said.

Belanger said health center workers encourage students to tell their parents about their health center experiences, but by law they cannot compel students to do so or inform parents without the student's consent.

King is the only one of Portland's three middle schools with a health center, primarily because it has more students who get free or reduced-price lunch, Belanger said.

Moore and Lincoln middle schools don't have health centers, and their students are ineligible for treatment at the King Student Health Center.

Belanger said the top five reasons for visits to the health center last year were, in descending order: immunizations, physical examinations, sore throat, upper respiratory infection and asthma.

Nationally, the top five reproductive health services offered at school-based health centers were, in descending order: pregnancy testing, abstinence counseling, HIV/AIDS counseling, birth control counseling, and the diagnosis and treatment of sexually transmitted diseases, according to the national assembly.

There's the full quote for those too lazy to click on the link.

[christiancore]

King is the only one of Portland's three middle schools with a health center, primarily because it has more students who get free or reduced-price lunch, Belanger said.


i still don't understand what free lunch has to do with having a health center in the school?

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by GermanBJJ

I'd just post pictures of Rosie O'Donnell in all the hallways. That should do the trick and for far less money.

LOL!

[Lubaolong]

Sounds ok to me.

[Ultrashogun]

Giving the pill to children who arent having sex wont make them have sex, giving the pill to children who are having sex may prevent unwanted pregnancy.

Children are beginning to have sex at really young ages and with regard to those pills it good to "put it out there".

And to all you guys talking about "parents responsibility" etc, be realistic. Did your parents know shit about what you were doing all day when you were a teenager?

[AZ BJJ]

I found this story on FOX as well. Here is the link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,302607,00.html

Here is my favorite part:

[Five of the 134 students who visited King's health center during the 2006-2007 school year reported having sexual intercourse, said Amanda Rowe, lead nurse in Portland's school health centers. "This is a service that is totally needed," Rowe said. "It's about very few kids, but they are kids who don't have the same opportunities and access as other students."]

So let me get this straight, 3.7% of the students are sexing it up at this school, and that is a mandate for handing out birth control pills? Are these people out of their minds?

Whatever happened to common sense? Look, I understand that kids are becoming sexually active younger than they were a few decades ago, but they are still kids. Birth control pills should be a parent/child/doctor decision made with the full knowledge of the parents. You want to make condoms available to help prevent pregnancy and stds, then do that. But in my opinion, providing birth control pills goes too far. What's next, they start handing out the morning after pill? And by the way, what kind of responsible health department or school hands out birth control pills anyways? Congratulations, you're not pregnant! Oh, and by the way, you have Syphilis!