[Valiss]

"In his eternal quest for the Republican presidential nomination, the supposed maverick John McCain has repeatedly reversed long-held positions and compromised purportedly core principles. From the Bush tax cuts, the religious right and immigration reform to overturning Roe v. Wade, proclaiming Samuel Alito a model Supreme Court Justice and bashing France (just to name a few), McCain changed sides as changing political conditions dictated.

But over the past two weeks, McCain’s rapid fire, acrobatic flip-flops have produced whiplash, at least for voters. 10 times since the beginning of June, McCain has retreated from, upended or just forgotten positions he once claimed as his own. On Social Security, balancing the budget, defense spending, domestic surveillance and a host of other issues so far this month, McCain’s “Straight Talk Express” did a U-turn on the road to the White House."

article: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/0...-in-two-weeks/

[Xenu]

On one issue or on several? And how big are these discrepancies?


OK, I found them.


1. Social Security Privatization.
2. Raising - and Slashing - Defense Spending.
3. First Term Balanced Budget Pledge.
4. The Media’s Treatment of Hillary Clinton.
5. The Estate Tax.
6. FISA, Domestic Surveillance and Telecom Immunity.
7. Restoring the Everglades.
8. Divestment from South Africa.
9. Fighting Job Losses in Michigan.
10. Opposing Hurricane Katrina Investigations.

1,2,3,6,9 are the only important ones to me.


On the bigger issues, some of these things are highly nuanced. "Flip flops" are often blown way out of proportion.

[J-Fight]

If Mccain wins then I get to keep my tax deduction, and he won't raise capital gains.

[BadassHo]

yeah, those are flip flops. not major ones. and is it really a record? he even beats john kerry? cmon that guy voted for the war before he voted against it......thats a big flip flop.

[WUchi]

Originally Posted by BadassHo

yeah, those are flip flops. not major ones. and is it really a record? he even beats john kerry? cmon that guy voted for the war before he voted against it......thats a big flip flop.

you mean he was tricked by bushes lies then was smart enough to realize it ? ya what an asshole.

[Tom Kazanski]

Originally Posted by WUchi

you mean he was tricked by bushes lies then was smart enough to realize it ? ya what an asshole.

Bushes lies = caused by misinformation from the CIA. You would have made the same call.

[Death March]

McCain has pledged to get rid of AMT (alternative minimum tax). That's reason enough to vote for him. I lost 48K behind that bullshit.

[Nietzsche13]

Originally Posted by Tom Kazanski

Bushes lies = caused by misinformation from the CIA. You would have made the same call.

I thought the Bush regime lies created the misinformation. They wanted that war no matter what, even before 9-11. The CIA was an accomplice.

[Death March]

Originally Posted by Nietzsche13

I thought the Bush regime lies created the misinformation. They wanted that war no matter what, even before 9-11. The CIA was an accomplice.

I think it is fair to say that 'greater involvement' was definitely a goal of the administration but creating misinformation is the domain of intelligence gathering organizations, who often operate with their own agenda and at times at crosspurposes with the administration. How else, then, could it be interpreted any other way than erroneously.

[Nietzsche13]

Originally Posted by Death March

I think it is fair to say that 'greater involvement' was definitely a goal of the administration but creating misinformation is the domain of intelligence gathering organizations. How else, then, could it be interpreted any other way than erroneously.

Members of the Admin. were saying shit that was not approved or confirmed by intelligence. They were cherry picking weak info and not indicating the degree of confidence. Information that did not help them in their goals was discarded and off the radar. It was a stacked deck and the Bush regime was responsible for the hand that was dealt to america.