[Gandhi]

Originally Posted by hypocalking

Are you serious????????You call yourself a fighter!!!!LOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!

I would expect that kind of question from a keyboard warrior not a seasoned poster, grow up.

Originally Posted by hypocalking

How can you agree with this
Thats complete ignorance & nOObish.The more recent UFCs are WAY bloodier than any early one.The bloodiest matches I've seen have been the ones sanctioned by the NASC.McCain is a uneducated nOOb who passed judgement without educating himself or was just trying to have his pockets lined with $.His idiocy reminds me of the current jackass we have in office.

When people say blood sport, they mean they way the fights were set up and marketed, not measuring the blood content per fight. Stop being such a dick.

[Enron Exec]

Obama has done nothing in politics yet except be on Opra. Kerry is a joke. McCain got his balls zapped by the VCs with a radio battery. McCain gets my vote

[d brooks]

Originally Posted by Enron Exec

Obama has done nothing in politics yet except be on Opra. Kerry is a joke. McCain got his balls zapped by the VCs with a radio battery. McCain gets my vote

your obviously unaware of Chuck Hagel (R- Nebraska) he is everything McCain is suppose to be.

[Gandhi]

Originally Posted by d brooks

your obviously unaware of Chuck Hagel (R- Nebraska) he is everything McCain is suppose to be.

Tell me more about Hagel I have an open mind

[d brooks]

Originally Posted by Greg Anderson

Tell me more about Hagel I have an open mind

Chuck Hagel


Early life and family
Born in North Platte, Nebraska to German-American parents, he graduated from the Brown Institute for Radio and Television in 1966 and from the University of Nebraska at Omaha in 1971. Hagel is a Vietnam War veteran, having served in the U.S. Army infantry, attaining the rank of Sergeant (E-5) from 1967-68. While serving during the Vietnam War, he received the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry, Purple Heart, Army Commendation Medal and the Combat Infantryman Badge.

Hagel married Lilibet Ziller in 1985; the couple have a daughter, Allyn, and a son, Ziller.




Senate career

In 1996, Chuck Hagel ran for the US Senate against Ben Nelson, who was the governor of Nebraska at the time. Although many people believed he had no chance of winning at all, he won a stunning upset in the election, receiving 54% of the votes (Nelson was later elected to Nebraska's other Senate seat, in 2000). Six years later in 2002, Hagel overwhelmingly won re-election with over 83% of the vote, the largest margin of victory in any statewide race in Nebraska history.

Since his election to the Senate in 1996, Hagel has served as deputy whip for the Republican Caucus. He has been chair of both the Senate Global Climate Change Observer Group and the Senate Oversight Task Force. He serves as co-chairman of the Congressional-Executive Commission on China. He also serves on the NATO Observer Group. Hagel is a member of four Senate committees: Foreign Relations; Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs; the Select Committee on Intelligence and the Committee on Rules and Administration.

In August 2004, Hagel acknowledged that he is considering a presidential campaign in 2008. He spoke to the Iowa delegation at the 2004 Republican National Convention.

In 2006, the University of Nebraska Press released the only official biography of Hagel, Chuck Hagel: Moving Forward by Charlyne Berens.


Criticism of Bush Administration

On August 18, 2005, Hagel compared the Iraq War to Vietnam, and openly mocked Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion that the Iraqi insurgency was in its "last throes." [2]

In November 2005, Hagel made a much-publicized statement saying "To question your government is not unpatriotic -- to not question your government is unpatriotic." This was in reference to the increasing amount of debate surrounding the Iraq War, and his assertion that the United States should withdraw its troops.

In December 2005, in reference to Bush, the GOP, and the Patriot Act, Hagel made a much-publicized statement: "I took an oath of office to the Constitution, I didn't take an oath of office to my party or my president." [3]

In January 2006, Hagel took issue with Karl Rove over controversial statements the White House advisor made concerning the mindset of Republicans and Democrats. Hagel said, "Well, I didn't like what Mr. Rove said, because it frames terrorism and the issue of terrorism and everything that goes with it, whether it's the renewal of the Patriot Act or the NSA wiretapping, in a political context." He also said that "dark clouds" are hanging over the Republican party," and "If you look at the environment and the atmospherics politically in this town, read any poll. The sixth year of a governing party usually ... is not good ... the country is tired, a lot of complications in these international issues, we're at war." [4]

Hagel further criticized the Bush administration, saying, "National security is more important than the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. And to use it to try and get someone elected will ultimately end up in defeat and disaster for that political party." [5]

In July 2006, Hagel again took issue with the Bush administration, this time on its handling of the Israel-Lebanon issue saying "The sickening slaughter on both sides must end and it must end now. President Bush must call for an immediate cease-fire. This madness must stop." [6]

Basically Hagel is a Nam Vet, Fiscal Goldwater Conservative that has been right on the ball about the Iraq War for awhile now unlike McCain. Also Hagel had the balls to tell it like it is and he dared to question the Bush admin failed policies, again unlike McCain.

[Gandhi]

Originally Posted by d brooks

Basically Hagel is a Nam Vet, Fiscal Goldwater Conservative that has been right on the ball about the Iraq War for awhile now unlike McCain. Also Hagel had the balls to tell it like it is and he dared to question the Bush admin failed policies, again unlike McCain.

Thanks for the info - will keep in mind

[Mr.Totality]

Originally Posted by hypocalking

How can you agree with this
Thats complete ignorance & nOObish.The more recent UFCs are WAY bloodier than any early one.The bloodiest matches I've seen have been the ones sanctioned by the NASC.McCain is a uneducated nOOb who passed judgement without educating himself or was just trying to have his pockets lined with $.His idiocy reminds me of the current jackass we have in office.

again I could give 2 shits about MMA in the political arena. The fact of the matter is, we are fighting a war with no real plan, and the candidate who can possibly end the nonsense and save the troops and the $, well he can hate MMA for all I care

[d brooks]

Originally Posted by Mr.Totality

again I could give 2 shits about MMA in the political arena. The fact of the matter is, we are fighting a war with no real plan, and the candidate who can possibly end the nonsense and save the troops and the $, well he can hate MMA for all I care

McCain has been wrong about the Iraq war and his flipped flopped many times since 2003

I have no idea why you think Mccain is smart when it comes to Iraq, he has pretty much been in line with Bush the whole way

[Mr.Totality]

Originally Posted by d brooks

McCain has been wrong about the Iraq war and his flipped flopped many times since 2003

I have no idea why you think Mccain is smart when it comes to Iraq, he has pretty much been in line with Bush the whole way

I never said he was smart, my point was that his issue with MMA is meaningless. If I believed he would do the right thing with Iraq (I do not, btw) then I would not give two shits about his stance about MMA. We understand?