[Marsupial]

Originally Posted by WrestlingNerd

Seems like some dumb mistakes on Britian's part.

Indeed.

I didn't intend for this thread to appear anti-American but some of the knee-jerk responses suggest that it has come across that way.

That's my own fault, I wasn't clear enough initially.

I intended it as a rebuke to Euro-scepticism. There's no point in getting wound up about the alleged loss of British sovereignty to the EU when the British government has given chunks of it away already to the U.S.
It's the double standard of the media largely ignoring this but trumpeting on about alarmist, exaggerated anti-EU stories that I wanted to highlight.

Most people in the UK that are against EU are against it because Rupert Murdoch, an Australian-born American citizen, tells them to be. Primarily to further his own business interests. All the Euro-scepticism in the British media comes from his newspapers.

[chokeyou]

Originally Posted by Marsupial

A unilateral contract that cedes a great deal of sovereignty to the U.S.
You cock-toothed wankstick.

You don't know the meaning "unilateral contract" or "sovereignty".

I didn't intend for this thread to appear anti-American

Yes you did. Either way the whole concept of your thread is retarded.

[JSN]

they already lost their sovereignty to the german jewish banking families like 200 years ago.

[TheMMAn]

Originally Posted by chokeyou

You don't know the meaning "unilateral contract" or "sovereignty".

pwnt

[chokeyou]

Contract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Marsupial]

I can only sincerely reiterate that I did not intend this thread to be construed as anti-American.
I don't particularly give a fuck that the U.S. controls the British nuclear deterrent I just think it negates a lot of the anti-EU scaremongering arguments.

If the guidance systems for British missiles were being controlled from Brussels, or if the idea was even proposed, the Euro-sceptics would be apoplectic with rage.

Originally Posted by chokeyou

You don't know the meaning "unilateral contract" or "sovereignty".

Fair enough, poor choice of words with 'unlilateral contract' but I think it's valid to talk of a loss of sovereignty.

In practice, Britain maintains nuclear weapons as a 'deterrent' and I don't currently see how or why we would ever want to use them but, in principle, if Britain ever did want to use them, and the U.S. disagreed with the decision, then they (the U.S.) could forbid Britain from doing so. This would surely constitute a loss of the independent decision-making power of the government to a foreign power.
The trans-Atlantic relationship hasn't always been as cosy as it is now. If there was another disagreement on the scale of the Suez crisis it could be very problematic for the U.K.
(Although, admittedly, this integrated military arrangement may be the reason the relationship is so cosy and a guarantee that it will be for the forseeable future.)

As I said, this is not intended as a criticism of the U.S.

I just wonder why such a big deal is made about petty bullshit supposedly coming out of the EU over how Britons will be allowed to buy and sell bananas, sausages, etc. when more significant deals and arrangements regarding how much control Britain has over it's own affairs go largely unnoticed and generate little controversy.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by Marsupial

I intended it as a rebuke to Euro-scepticism. There's no point in getting wound up about the alleged loss of British sovereignty to the EU when the British government has given chunks of it away already to the U.S.

It's the double standard of the media largely ignoring this but trumpeting on about alarmist, exaggerated anti-EU stories that I wanted to highlight.
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In that respect i think you are playing to the wrong audience.

The posters in this thread are mostly american and don't real have a good understanding of what the EU is about and British attitudes/perspectives towards it.

[ThRiLl]

Clearly the US is at fault for not handing out ballistic nuclear missiles willy nilly.

The UK clearly should go along with the Confederate States of Europe, where top of the line weapon systems are designed by committee and cranked out only a generation, or two, too late.,

[AZ BJJ]

What a bunch of hub-bub bullshit. So let me get this straight, the U.K. has ceded sovereignty to the United States because it has adopted the Tomahawk cruise missile and Trident SLBM systems, both of which require support from the U.S. manufactureres who created them? That's the argument? Oh, I can't forget to include that the GPS system the Tomahawks rely on is American. Is that it? Did I cover it all? Geez, give me a break. Britain has adopted these system of its own free will. Do you know why? It's because the U.S. still makes the best weapons system on Earth. If you don't like it, lobby your government to buy French military hardware. .

This crap is just as ridiculous as the idiots in Washington, D.C. who are running around trying to scare the shit out of people over the Air Force's new contract for tankers based on the Airbus airframe. "What happens if the Europeans won't give us spare parts because they don't agree with us politically?" C'mon.

Is there an argument to be made that Britain's foreign and domestic policies are controlled by Washington, D.C.? I don't think so. Sure, the British supported Operation Iraqi Freedom, but look at the Falklands. If anything, the U.S. walked a tight line to support both its interests, and those of the British. We even acted as a mediator in the conflict, but were unsuccessful because British interests (sovereign control of the Falklands) weren't conducive to the mediation process. The British went on their own way and pursued their own policy. The U.S. didn't control British foreign policy, that's for sure.

[Marsupial]

Originally Posted by Sauron

In that respect i think you are playing to the wrong audience.

The posters in this thread are mostly american and don't real have a good understanding of what the EU is about and British attitudes/perspectives towards it.

Yeah, it's just not gone the way I intended.

My fault, I'll be the first to admit.
(Throws hands in the air)
I failed, folks!