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Old 03-04-2006, 12:16 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Just Say 'No' to Israel in NATO

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Some pundits have used Iran’s apparent quest for an atomic weapon as an excuse to push, with a straight face, the silly idea of inducting Israel into NATO. The idea is not just absurd because NATO stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and Israel is nowhere near the North Atlantic, but because Israeli security has never been better and doesn’t need NATO protection. Furthermore, U.S. security would be undermined by admitting Israel into NATO.

How can Israel be fairly secure when a radical Islamic state seems likely to be seeking a nuclear capability? Israel’s security has never been better, because its existence is no longer threatened by any strong bordering enemy, as it was for years by hostile bordering nation-states. And although Hamas won a majority in the Palestinian parliamentary elections, it is a relatively weak terrorist group that can only occasionally terrorize Israelis with a suicide bombing. Although devastating to the victims and their loved ones, most Israelis are hardened to this fact of life; suicide attacks are a mere pinprick to the Israeli government. Besides, the Israelis could get rid of this manageable security problem rather quickly if they simply traded land for peace and gave the Palestinians a viable state.

Most real threats to Israel’s existence have long evaporated. Israel has been at peace with its most populous and dangerous immediate neighbor—Egypt—for almost three decades. It is also at peace with Jordan, a much weaker Arab bordering neighbor. Syria, the only nation-state bordering Israel that remains hostile, long ago lost its Soviet benefactor. Thus, unlike the Israelis, the Syrians have been unable to modernize their military. Furthermore, Israel, with a much larger economy than Syria, is able to outspend Syria on defense by more than a 10:1 ratio. Like Hamas, Hezbollah, a militant Islamist group operating in southern Lebanon and aided by Syria and Iran, conducts sporadic pinprick attacks on Israel. Hezbollah has won representatives in Lebanon’s parliament and has even shown signs of moderation. Similarly, now that Hamas has control of the Palestinian parliament, there is a possibility that it too might become more moderate.

One of the few possible significant future threats to Israel is Iran. Although advocates of admitting Israel into NATO—such as Ron Asmus, former Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs under President Clinton—have made much of this threat, they have grossly exaggerated the danger. Iran does not have a border with Israel, making a ground invasion extremely difficult. Besides, Israel has an annual defense budget that is more than twice that of Iran. Although Iran has missiles that can hit Israel and is probably working on a nuclear weapon, Iran will probably not have the “bomb” for five to ten years. Even then, Iran will have only a small number of warheads. Although Israel is coy about its nuclear arsenal, experts estimate that it has 200 or more atomic weapons. This arsenal will long deter any potentially hostile state from unleashing a nuclear attack on Israel.

Because threats to Israel’s security have diminished over time, and Israel is wealthy compared with its immediate neighbors, it does not need NATO protection. NATO membership would obligate the United States—the security guarantor in NATO—and its feckless European allies to help Israel battle Hamas and other radical groups in the streets of Palestine. The United States is already involved in two quagmires in Islamic nations—Iraq and Afghanistan. It doesn’t need to further inflame radical Islamist terrorists around the world by also helping Israel occupy Palestine. If you think anti-U.S. Islamist terrorism is bad now, try waving this red flag in front of the bull.

Thus, admitting Israel into NATO would reduce U.S. security, not enhance it. This bizarre idea should be put to bed at once.
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Old 03-04-2006, 12:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Generally agreed. However any group of people (except USA FOR NOW) are reluctant to militarily side with the loose cannon of Israel. All ideas of admitting the apartheid state of Israel into any collision should be rejected.
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Old 03-04-2006, 12:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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We obviously know why this is wanted from our perspective. COllective security. If Israel is allowed in, and they are attacked, now we have a reason to attach Iran or anyone else
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Old 03-04-2006, 01:35 PM   #4 (permalink)

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I can see dark forces at work here.
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Old 03-04-2006, 01:43 PM   #5 (permalink)

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I like the idea of israel in nato
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Old 03-04-2006, 01:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I like the idea of israel in nato

How does it benefit the US?
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Old 03-04-2006, 01:45 PM   #7 (permalink)

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How does it benefit the US?
Israel is more sympathetic to our cause than many of the other NATO nations currently are (at least the western euro ones, I think the former warsaw nations in NATO are more understanding of the war on terrorism). Israel can help push more NATO decisions in our favor.
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Old 03-04-2006, 01:47 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I predict the total disintegration of NATO if the US attempts to introduce Israel as a member. The alliance is shaky as it is.

Is this even on the table? This is the first I´ve ever heard of this.
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I predict the total disintegration of NATO if the US attempts to introduce Israel as a member. The alliance is shaky as it is.

Is this even on the table? This is the first I´ve ever heard of this.

I was wondering the same thing.
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Old 03-04-2006, 01:54 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I like Israel. I hope they join the club. I know some people think that it's good for Israel and the US because if someone(Iran) attacks Israel, then we are justified to attack back.

But what if allowing Israel in deters people from attacking Israel? Wouldn't that be one less war to fight? Wouldn't that be better for the world?

Unless you think war is needed to settle all the problems in the region. I can't disagree too much with that.
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