[bulldogs85]

Originally Posted by wordjitsu

I agree, most people that are homeless want to be. The system sucks cock. Having to have a SS#, be entered into an oppressive tax system, have to have a passport to travel the earth, a drivers license, car insurance, etc... etc.. etc...

A cardboard box is rather inviting if you ask me.

Ha ha, you know, i've driven through the mountains of Eastern Tennessee, looked out at the wilderness, thought of my ample supply of guns and ammo, thought of my upbringing learning how to hunt and fish, and wondered how long it would take to build a small cabin in the middle of that wilderness. Just a thought!

[bulldogs85]

Originally Posted by AllahvULongTime

i think polynikes is expressing his frustration with you ignoring his credible sources and continuing to talk out of your ass.
i think polynikes may also dislike you because he believes you to be a butt pirate.

I think polynikes is kicking everyone's ass in this debate. His sources were rock solid, and his points were good.

I just wish police offered the same benefits to our guys as the military does!

[bulldogs85]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

What about the opportunity to make and save money in the military?

I'll go ahead and do that now before you ask for it:


2008 Military Pay Chart

If you have no rent, no grocery bills, no medical / dental bills, this is a lot of money. And for the record, these are basic pays, and do not include any bonus pays or combat pay or sea pay or anything other than basic pay. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST BASIC PAY.


Thrift Savings Plan

You can check out the Thrift Savings Plan too. It's basically a 401k that you are offeredthrough the military, and its something everyone is told about time and time again.

TreasuryDirect

If long term retirement isn't your thing, you can ignore the TSP and go with short term savings bonds. There's the link for them. And don't even try to say that people don't know about this stuff because you're offered these the very first day you get to boot camp.

At any point during this conversation, you can begin to respond to any of this with facts if you've like.

DAMN!!!! You got any good recruiters you can recommend to me???????

[CJF]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

What else do we need to discuss?



What about the opportunity to make and save money in the military?

I'll go ahead and do that now before you ask for it:


2008 Military Pay Chart

If you have no rent, no grocery bills, no medical / dental bills, this is a lot of money. And for the record, these are basic pays, and do not include any bonus pays or combat pay or sea pay or anything other than basic pay. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST BASIC PAY.


Thrift Savings Plan

You can check out the Thrift Savings Plan too. It's basically a 401k that you are offeredthrough the military, and its something everyone is told about time and time again.

TreasuryDirect

If long term retirement isn't your thing, you can ignore the TSP and go with short term savings bonds. There's the link for them. And don't even try to say that people don't know about this stuff because you're offered these the very first day you get to boot camp.

At any point during this conversation, you can begin to respond to any of this with facts if you've like.

Military pay is not as horrible as it is made out to be. But if you consider that Mercenaries get 6 figures easily in the private sector, then it is underpaid.

[Polynikes]

Nine, I'd like to hear your rebuttal to those links.

[TheMMAn]

i'll go ahead and pile on here.

i work for a service-disabled vet (SF Captain injured in Fallujah in 05). Through the SBA-backed SDVOB program, we have built a nice company, working as contractors in the federal market. There are all kinds of tools for vets to help them start their own business, from business loans, government set-asides, and special bonding programs. In fact almost all construction work at the VA facilites is offered to veteran-oened, and service-disabled owned businesses, taking the place, in terms of preference, over the 8(a) minority/disadvantaged firms..

We give back by hiring and training (apprenticeship program under the IEC) vets to be electricians (which make around $40/hour on Fed contracts) as a career.

Also, about half of our work is at VA facilities, and i am around Vets pretty much every day. From a contractor standpoint, i can tell you that the VA's are flush with money. The region i work in has so many funded projects this quarter, that they have had had to outsource contracting duties to the Corps of Engineers. A lot of the renovation/expansion work we do is directly tied to programs that are being started or expanded.

I have to agree with Poly's question. What exactly do think needs to be done? My guess is that you are more concerned with politics than you are these vets.

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by TheMMAn

i'll go ahead and pile on here.

i work for a service-disabled vet (SF Captain injured in Fallujah in 05). Through the SBA-backed SDVOB program, we have built a nice company, working as contractors in the federal market. There are all kinds of tools for vets to help them start their own business, from business loans, government set-asides, and special bonding programs. In fact almost all construction work at the VA facilites is offered to veteran-oened, and service-disabled owned businesses, taking the place, in terms of preference, over the 8(a) minority/disadvantaged firms..

We give back by hiring and training (apprenticeship program under the IEC) vets to be electricians (which make around $40/hour on Fed contracts) as a career.

Also, about half of our work is at VA facilities, and i am around Vets pretty much every day. From a contractor standpoint, i can tell you that the VA's are flush with money. The region i work in has so many funded projects this quarter, that they have had had to outsource contracting duties to the Corps of Engineers. A lot of the renovation/expansion work we do is directly tied to programs that are being started or expanded.

I have to agree with Poly's question. What exactly do think needs to be done? My guess is that you are more concerned with politics than you are these vets.

Seriously dude, what else could possibly be done for these guys?

There are so many opportunities out there it's ridiculous that we're sitting here talking about this right now.

If you want to complain about McCain or the military, there is plenty to bitch about...but this isn't even valid.

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by stylesbjj

No, I'm not going to calm down.

I am so sick and tired of all of the stupidity around here. You guys run around talking straight out of your asses about things with which you have no idea.

You make slick little comments like this:

Originally Posted by stylesbjj

Let me guess, we're winning the Iraq war too

Or you say stupid shit like this:

Originally Posted by stylesbjj

As long as the NeoCons don't try to spin or hide the fact that McCain still feels that we should have stayed in Vietnam, I'll be happy.

Or similar shit like this:

Originally Posted by stylesbjj

fact: McCain believes we should've stayed in Vietnam.

((((You think maybe McCain might know a little more about the situation on the ground in Vietnam than you do? You think that might just maybe be a possibility? We had them beaten, withered, and done, and we should have held out just a little tiny bit longer. Anyone who has done any form of research would know this, but I highly doubt that you do.)))))


You haven't brought shit to this conversation except the snippets that I just posted, so don't tell me to calm down when you're the one spreading bullshit and talking out of your ass.

[AZ BJJ]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

You think McCain would be the worst thing for our military over Clinton or Obama?

Are you out of your mind?

Wait...aren't you that guy that was once a recruiter?

He'd be the worst choice because he's the one most willing to use them as the primary instrument of foreign policy. Considering the strains already being placed upon members of the Armed Forces, I believe that such an approach is dangerous. I have no doubt he'd fund them well, but I believe he'd also place the most amount of strain on them and stretch us too thin abroad. Not to mention how many might die under his command.

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by AZ BJJ

He'd be the worst choice because he's the one most willing to use them as the primary instrument of foreign policy. Considering the strains already being placed upon members of the Armed Forces, I believe that such an approach is dangerous. I have no doubt he'd fund them well, but I believe he'd also place the most amount of strain on them and stretch us too thin abroad. Not to mention how many might die under his command.

And you think that John McCain would be reckless with the US military's role in foreign policy?



Tell me something, what would Clinton do with the military, and what would Obama do with the military?