[Nine]

Originally Posted by TheMMAn

I can respect that. The problem is that you keep arguing from the point of "i think" and posting iffy sources, presented as facts to back up your point.

Some feel that the current status of Veterans is fine others think otherwise. To some like Polynikes, Veterans have more than enough support. To me, I don't know what adequate support is but the disproportunate percentage of Veterans who are living on or below the poverty line is a red flag - to me.

The difficulty is that we can't really argue what are the best measures, correct decisions - what we do know is the end result is not working. It sit well with me knowing Veterans make up 11% of the population but make up 25% of the homeless. Even given personal issues, or those who "want to be homeless" it should be closer to proportional to the population not a 'higher' rate. The research basically alludes that if you served in the military you have a higher probabilty of ending up homeless.

I don't understand how some can accept this regardless of party lines, political motivations - I think more has to be done by some those in power because whatever is being done appears not to be working.

[SMEAC]

Originally Posted by Nine

Look key board cowboy you wouldn't know middle eastern politics if it hit you in the face. So stop trying to carry a "logical" conversation by using "logical" non-specific or detail backed responses.

I didn't wiki anything I'm an International Politics & Global Security Graduate and trust me I've done my share of arguing about these issues way before you even knew who Osama bin laden was or where the middle east was located.

So please spare me the bs online internet debate, the fact or the end result of our discussion is that I believe that McCain out of the three canidates is less likely to use diplomatic measures and more likely to send in the troops when they more than likely may not be needed. For example, Iran. (which all canidates have pretty much expressed their ideas)

Did you get your diploma in an email, because you can't fucking write?

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by Nine

Some feel that the current status of Veterans is fine others think otherwise. To some like Polynikes, Veterans have more than enough support. To me, I don't know what adequate support is but the disproportunate percentage of Veterans who are living on or below the poverty line is a red flag - to me.

The difficulty is that we can't really argue what are the best measures, correct decisions - what we do know is the end result is not working. It sit well with me knowing Veterans make up 11% of the population but make up 25% of the homeless. Even given personal issues, or those who "want to be homeless" it should be closer to proportional to the population not a 'higher' rate. The research basically alludes that if you served in the military you have a higher probabilty of ending up homeless.

I don't understand how some can accept this regardless of party lines, political motivations - I think more has to be done by some those in power because whatever is being done appears not to be working.

Dear God give me patience to cope with this man.

First of all, I've never said that I don't want wounded vets to get more assistance. I never said that.

All I said was that there is a huge amount of help out there, which is contrary to what you've repeatedly said.



AND I WILL REPEAT MYSELF YET AGAIN FOR YOU:


I HAVE VERY CLOSE FRIENDS THAT ARE IN THIS CATEGORY...WHAT ABOUT YOU?

I KNOW THIS FROM FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE...WHAT ABOUT YOU?




I've asked you countless times what you want to be done, and you gave me three things:

Originally Posted by Nine

What can be done are more programs for Veterans to pay their high morgages, assist them with jobs and transitioning them back to a civilian life style.

I then responded with proof that the three things you mentioned were ALREADY COVERED, which you just ignored. Hell, who needs facts around here when we can just bitch for the fun of it?

I even gave you the 800 number to the department that handles VA home loans in case you wanted to call them and talk to them.

And this can be found here:

Originally Posted by Polynikes

In order to help veterans in serious financial trouble, VA Regional Loan Centers have technicians available to conduct financial counseling. This counseling is designed to help you avoid foreclosure. If you want this assistance, call 1-800-827-1000 and ask for the number to reach a Loan Service Representative that can assist you.

Originally Posted by Polynikes

One of my best friends is fully disabled, and the military pays him Sergeant pay for the rest of his life, as well as medical benefits, job assistance (they put him through EMT school FOR FREE, and he's about to get a job at a fire station that was hooked up by the VA).

I have also posted the pay charts for you, the Thrift Savings Plan links, the GI Bill pay charts, the savings bonds links, and I've told you about the tuition assistance which pays for 100% of your college tuition while you are on active duty.



There is nothing else to say to you until you come back with a rebuttal to anything that I've posted, but you won't be able to because everything I've posted is verifiable and accurate. Hell, I posted the links to the actual government sites FFS.




I ALSO DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE FROM A UNIVERSITY.

I don't believe it because you can barely form sentences, you can't retrieve information from a passage, and you can't stay on topic for longer than 2 sentences YOU GOLDFISH BRAINED IDIOT.

[smasheroffaces]

well my dad loves the v.a they give him great care here in the bay area ca. all the others vet i know have no complaints. funny how leftists now want to pretend to love the troops and care about how they are treated after spitting on them for a couple decades. i find it kinda dishonest myself.

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by Nine

We aren't talking about the politics of Vietnam, the point is that I feel that John McCain has not been a supporter of the Veterans.

That is the point of the thread, I'm not trying to dicuss decisions made during the Vietnam war, after the war...etc.

The idea that McCain hasn't done enough for veterans is an idea that POWs share as do others but opening a discussion on Vietnam is like opening a can of worms.

The basic idea is I don't think McCain has done enough for Veterans. Thats it.

You aren't trying to discuss decisions made during, or after, the Vietnam war?

The link you posted that was your "proof" that McCain was disliked by POW's is nothing but an editorial that claims that McCain made some guys mad by saying there weren't anymore POW's in Vietnam.

Did you even read the damn article?

What?

What are you talking about dude?

You are all over the place, and you're not making any sense.

The POW's that don't like him, which is a very small number of them by the way, don't like him BECAUSE OF SEVERAL DECISIONS HE MADE AFTER THE WAR.

SO I GUESS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT AREN'T WE?

DOESN'T THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DECISIONS HE MADE DURING OR AFTER THE WAR?




LMAO

What is this?

[BP3]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

Why don't you put aside the BS and do some actual research.


There are Vietnamese generals that have admitted that they were pushed to their breaking point and were within days of issuing an all out surrender.

The leftist morons go all ostrich on you when you bring this fact up.

[Nine]

Originally Posted by SMEAC

Did you get your diploma in an email, because you can't fucking write?

I'm fucking posting on sherdog, I'm not trying to write a formal paper here. Also you keep responding with these questions when you have nothing to add.

[Nine]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

You aren't trying to discuss decisions made during, or after, the Vietnam war?

The link you posted that was your "proof" that McCain was disliked by POW's is nothing but an editorial that claims that McCain made some guys mad by saying there weren't anymore POW's in Vietnam.

Did you even read the damn article?

What?

What are you talking about dude?

You are all over the place, and you're not making any sense.

The POW's that don't like him, which is a very small number of them by the way, don't like him BECAUSE OF SEVERAL DECISIONS HE MADE AFTER THE WAR.

SO I GUESS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT AREN'T WE?

DOESN'T THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DECISIONS HE MADE DURING OR AFTER THE WAR?




LMAO

What is this?

I love circular arguements.

See I think I made a mistake in taking the bait and falling for the switch on this one.

Lets start over.

Here is the statement, I'm not happy with the current status of Veterans especially their disproportional rate of homelessness, I'm also not happy McCain has not done more or has any 'progress' to show for his efforts.

I never said anything about McCain's heroic survival, (the article you linked).

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by Nine

You are the biggest moron ever, nobody is talking about Vietnam you fucking idiot. Get your head out of your ass stop giving yourself a blowjob and read what is going on.

McCain has not done enough for Veterans. That is the point.

.

Nobody is talking about Vietnam?

Originally Posted by Nine

POWs vs. John McCain | Salon News

In your attempt at discrediting McCain, you posted a link that is supposed to show that POW's dislike McCain.

In fact, you attempted at painting a picture that shows that McCain is hated by Vietnamese POW's.

Of course, you failed miserably at this task because you lack critical reading ability, but you did post a link trying to poke at him by using Vietnam Vets.

So, yes, we are talking about Vietnam here.

In fact, you can't talk about John McCain's personality or character without bringing up Vietnam.

The guy is about as solid in character as any human being on this planet.

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by Nine

I never said anything about McCain's heroic survival, (the article you linked).

Oh my God.

Dude, are you just trying to waste my time here?

You posted the link that "supposedly" said that McCain was hated by fellow POW's, and then I read the article (which you obviously didn't do), and then responded to it. Later in the thread, I posted a link to an interview with a guy that with McCain in the Hanoi Hilton as a second rebuttal to your link.

A second rebuttal meaning that I had already rebutted your initial link, and then piled more on top of that.


What am I doing wasting my time here?