[SMEAC]

Abuse the military was someone hitting recruits or something?

What exactly is the purpose of the military, I thought it was to go to war when Congress sends it?

[Nine]

Originally Posted by TheMMAn

Isn't the quote above one that YOU posted to bolster your argument??

We aren't talking about the politics of Vietnam, the point is that I feel that John McCain has not been a supporter of the Veterans.

That is the point of the thread, I'm not trying to dicuss decisions made during the Vietnam war, after the war...etc.

The idea that McCain hasn't done enough for veterans is an idea that POWs share as do others but opening a discussion on Vietnam is like opening a can of worms.

The basic idea is I don't think McCain has done enough for Veterans. Thats it.

[Nine]

Originally Posted by SMEAC

Abuse the military was someone hitting recruits or something?

What exactly is the purpose of the military, I thought it was to go to war when Congress sends it?

Watch the news much? You wouldn't call the Iraq war an abuse of the US military? Putting them in the middle of a religious conflict like sitting ducks telling them to "liberate Iraq"...

Another can of worms...

I would say that as others have said McCain will have an itchy trigger finger when it comes to using the Military. Hell that idiot doesn't even know the difference between Iran and Al Queda

[SMEAC]

Kid, what do you want done for the military since you are soooooo concerned about them and their abuse?

Enlighten me on all the differences between the country of Iran and the group Al Queda since you know all of them?

[Nine]

Originally Posted by SMEAC

Kid, what do you want done for the military since you are soooooo concerned about them and their abuse?

Enlighten me on all the differences between the country of Iran and the group Al Queda since you know all of them?

Wow I think I'm talking to a 3rd grader could this be true? You really that dumb...

I want the military to be used when we have actual threats to security, not some bs war that "mission accomplished" thousands more dead. I don't give a F*** about restoring Iraqi freedom - doesn't make me safer. Get those guys home asap. Also we aren't getting a discount on oil either so I don't see the point of that war.

You are kidding about Iran and Al Queda right?

Well we can start by their ethnicity or maybe their language or maybe how al queda attacked Iran at one point. Lets just start with the fact that in a press conference and I'll find the link. McCain made all these accusations about Iran and Osama bin laden until his stupid running made Joe Fake Liberman whispered into his ear saying I mean Al Queda and Osama.

Iran - Once once a westernized country and an buddy of the US
Iran is Shiite (hence their influence in Iraq) (Shiite v Sunni) - You need more explanation?
Iran is Persians - non-Arabs - they are ANTI-Arabs.

Al Queda is born from the Wahabi hardcore sect of Sunnis - these guys are Arabs.
Main point is against the 'evil' West and their messing with their holy land ..blah blah blah...you know the story.

Both groups are natual enemies. Fighting against each other in Iraq in a semi proxi war but attackin us soldiers in unity.

[rail_gun_01]

Originally Posted by Nine

There is a first AHAHAHAHHA

He's not stupid and could easily rattle off a few plausible reasons but simply chooses not to because from his perspective that would be a step in the wrong direction.

[TheMMAn]

Originally Posted by Nine

We aren't talking about the politics of Vietnam, the point is that I feel that John McCain has not been a supporter of the Veterans.

That is the point of the thread, I'm not trying to dicuss decisions made during the Vietnam war, after the war...etc.

The idea that McCain hasn't done enough for veterans is an idea that POWs share as do others but opening a discussion on Vietnam is like opening a can of worms.

The basic idea is I don't think McCain has done enough for Veterans. Thats it.

I can respect that. The problem is that you keep arguing from the point of "i think" and posting iffy sources, presented as facts to back up your point.

Admittedly, there are others that feel the same way you do, and that supposedly the DAV does not think he gives enough support. My only problem is that there are thousands of links that all lead back to one article that says he voted against dozens of bills between 2005 and 2006. The article never mentions the specific bills, or any earmarks or conditions that could have been attached. The only act i know of during that period was the Veteran's Health Care Bill of '05, and i'm pretty sure it passed the Senate with unanimous consent.

[SMEAC]

Originally Posted by Nine

Wow I think I'm talking to a 3rd grader could this be true? You really that dumb...

I want the military to be used when we have actual threats to security, not some bs war that "mission accomplished" thousands more dead. I don't give a F*** about restoring Iraqi freedom - doesn't make me safer. Get those guys home asap. Also we aren't getting a discount on oil either so I don't see the point of that war.

You are kidding about Iran and Al Queda right?

Well we can start by their ethnicity or maybe their language or maybe how al queda attacked Iran at one point. Lets just start with the fact that in a press conference and I'll find the link. McCain made all these accusations about Iran and Osama bin laden until his stupid running made Joe Fake Liberman whispered into his ear saying I mean Al Queda and Osama.

Iran - Once once a westernized country and an buddy of the US
Iran is Shiite (hence their influence in Iraq) (Shiite v Sunni) - You need more explanation?
Iran is Persians - non-Arabs - they are ANTI-Arabs.

Al Queda is born from the Wahabi hardcore sect of Sunnis - these guys are Arabs.
Main point is against the 'evil' West and their messing with their holy land ..blah blah blah...you know the story.

Both groups are natual enemies. Fighting against each other in Iraq in a semi proxi war but attackin us soldiers in unity.

Now, who decides what the threats to security are and when to send in the military?

Next time after you wiki some stock answers about Al Queda or Iran cut and paste more so it's more readable.

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[Nine]

Originally Posted by SMEAC

Now, who decides what the threats to security are and when to send in the military?

Next time after you wiki some stock answers about Al Queda or Iran cut and paste more so it's more readable.

Look key board cowboy you wouldn't know middle eastern politics if it hit you in the face. So stop trying to carry a "logical" conversation by using "logical" non-specific or detail backed responses.

I didn't wiki anything I'm an International Politics & Global Security Graduate and trust me I've done my share of arguing about these issues way before you even knew who Osama bin laden was or where the middle east was located.

So please spare me the bs online internet debate, the fact or the end result of our discussion is that I believe that McCain out of the three canidates is less likely to use diplomatic measures and more likely to send in the troops when they more than likely may not be needed. For example, Iran. (which all canidates have pretty much expressed their ideas)