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Old 04-14-2008, 10:47 AM   #11 (permalink)

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Yes, because if Olmert was going to meet with Bin Laden you'd be OK with that, right?
Of course, why wouldn't I be?
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Yep, bet you wouldn't have a negative thing one to say.
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what does this have to do with Israel being ungrateful. How many times do they say thanks america. without you we wouldnt exist. Never. Ever.
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Yep, bet you wouldn't have a negative thing one to say.
It's called diplomacy, look it up.
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Yes, because if Olmert was going to meet with Bin Laden you'd be OK with that, right?
Why wouldn't we? Reagan met with Cold War leaders, Nixon with China, FDR with Stalin, etc.
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Why wouldn't we? Reagan met with Cold War leaders, Nixon with China, FDR with Stalin, etc.
Probably something to do with the fact Bin Laden having orchestrated the killing of two thousand plus U.S civilians with an airliner, and isn't a leader of a county? I don't think anyone wants to work out "peace" with Bin Laden.
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Talking with bin Laden would be useless, as he is pretty much a trivial figure in Middle Eastern politics. The people the US must absolutely talk to includes Ahmadinajad, political leaders in Syria, etc, and any other countries that have cultural and historic ties to Iraq; this would be in order to effectuate a withdrawal of US forces that would leave the Iraq situation in some kind of relative stability while allowing the US to combat international terrorism, for which purpose the Iraq war was a terribly irrelevant distraction.
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Old 04-14-2008, 12:53 PM   #18 (permalink)

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This is an amazing act of contempt directed at the US. Carter is a liberal fool, but that's beside the point. He is a former President of the US, a country to which Israel owes its existence. Israel has the elementary obligation to offer him protection.
When you make statements like the one bolded, you basically say "I have not studied middle east history at all, and basically I am just talking out of my ass and repeating talking points against Israel."
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When you make statements like the one bolded, you basically say "I have not studied middle east history at all, and basically I am just talking out of my ass and repeating talking points against Israel."
Well, arguably by "existence" he meant "current existence," rather than "founding." You can make a pretty viable case that if not for US support from the mid 1960s onward, Israel would've been taken out.
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isrealies like the one above would be loathe to accept that.

that and we were the only country in the world that justified isreals existence in 1947-48.


perhaps they are still butthurt over the anal pouding hezbollah gave them in short order. all the lebanese that isreal can bomb wont change that.
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