[Chesten_Hesten]

Man, where's the tree huggers when you need them?

Illegals light border fires to sidetrack U.S. agents
By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
June 19, 2007
U.S. Border Patrol agents seeking to secure the nation's border in some of the country's most pristine national forests are being targeted by illegal aliens, who are using intentionally set fires to burn agents out of observation posts and patrol routes.
The wildfires have destroyed valuable natural and cultural resources in the National Forest System and pose an ongoing threat to visitors, residents and responding firefighters, according to federal law-enforcement authorities and others.
In the Coronado National Forest in Arizona, with 60 miles of land along the U.S.-Mexico border, U.S. Forest Service firefighters sent in to battle fires or clear wild-land fire areas are required to be escorted by armed law-enforcement officers.
Armed smugglers of aliens and drugs have walked through the middle of active firefighting operations, the authorities said.
The Border Patrol's Tucson, Ariz., sector, which encompasses most of the Coronado National Forest, has the highest incidence of cross-border violators in the nation. Nearly 500,000 illegal aliens were apprehended last year -- more than 30,000 a month. In addition, nearly 100,000 pounds of marijuana, with a street value of $200 million, was seized as it was hauled through the Coronado National Forest.
Last month, the Border Patrol -- in a single operation targeting illegal aliens causing what Forest Service officials called "significant damage" to the Coronado National Forest -- apprehended more than 300 illegals along just a three-mile section of U.S.-Mexico border in Arizona and confiscated 600 pounds of marijuana in a 10-day period.
At least five fires were set below a Border Patrol observation post during the operation in an effort to burn the agents out, according to a Forest Service report. The fires were extinguished, and no one was arrested.
Wildfires are being set by alien and drug smugglers, authorities said, to create a diversion in an attempt to gain undetected access across the border. The fires correspond to a dramatic rise in assaults against Border Patrol agents -- up more than 100 percent over last year.
"Criminal activity by both illegal immigrants and citizens in forests near the border is a threat to members of the public trying to use their public lands and to our employees trying to manage these lands," Tina J. Terrell, a Forest Service supervisor told a House Appropriations subcommittee last month.
She said law-enforcement personnel have been assaulted, threatened with weapons and shot at, and their vehicles have been rammed by cross-border violators. Because of the remoteness of the area, she said, timely assistance from other law-enforcement agencies is not always possible, and communications limitations and active interference with radio frequencies in Mexico create additional safety risks.
"Even normal enforcement duties bring our officers in regular contact with cross-border violators," she said. "Our officers risk their lives every day to enforce the law in these remote federally managed lands."
The Coronado National Forest is not the only area along the border being targeted for wildfires. Other blazes also have been set, including two this month near the San Luis, Ariz., port of entry as the result of Molotov cocktails -- one of which barely missed a Border Patrol agent.
Authorities said agents are being targeted by illegal aliens and their smugglers for rock attacks -- including grapefruit-size rocks wrapped in rags, dipped in gasoline and set on fire.
"As larger areas of the border come under operational control, we can expect violence to increase as smuggling operations can no longer operate with impunity and do not have unfettered access to the border for their criminal activities," Border Patrol Chief David V. Aguilar told a Homeland Security subcommittee this year.
"This explosion of aggression is an indicator how desperate and angry drug and human traffickers are at the increasing disruption of their smuggling routes," he said.

[RuSSiaNThuG]

what good is a nation that prides itself on "bearing arms" if it does not use them?

[Chesten_Hesten]

what good is a nation that prides itself on "bearing arms" if it does not use them?

That's true....

*Hangs head in shame and looks for hole to crawl into...

[Vlad76]

Originally Posted by RuSSiaNThuG

what good is a nation that prides itself on "bearing arms" if it does not use them?

Don’t need to use guns, I give you 2 options:

1.- Stop using drugs like it was food, then the cartels would go down, it is a billionaire business to pass any type of drug to the Us. And some police officers are not competition to the freaking cartels; they would do anything to get the drugs to the street of the Us, and they economical budget is unlimited.

2,. Stop hiring illegal immigrants, do that and they will have to stay at home. It is a also a very lucrative business, did you know that the fucking “polleros” (people that help the immigrants pass through the border) charge from 1000 to 2000 usd each, to get the immigrants to Us ground?

Want to get rid of a problem? go the root of it and not the superficial side of it…

[villin]

Originally Posted by Vlad76

Don’t need to use guns, I give you 2 options:

1.- Stop using drugs like it was food, then the cartels would go down, it is a billionaire business to pass any type of drug to the Us. And some police officers are not competition to the freaking cartels; they would do anything to get the drugs to the street of the Us, and they economical budget is unlimited.

2,. Stop hiring illegal immigrants, do that and they will have to stay at home. It is a also a very lucrative business, did you know that the fucking “polleros” (people that help the immigrants pass through the border) charge from 1000 to 2000 usd each, to get the immigrants to Us ground?

Want to get rid of a problem? go the root of it and not the superficial side of it…

Yeah but shooting them is a helluva lot easier.

I think it should be made into a sport. Every border jumper you plug earns you 5 points and at the end of every month the redneck with the most points gets $50K. That'll pretty much snuff out the problem within 6 months.

[Chesten_Hesten]

Yeah but shooting them is a helluva lot easier.

I think it should be made into a sport. Every border jumper you plug earns you 5 points and at the end of every month the redneck with the most points gets $50K. That'll pretty much snuff out the problem within 6 months.

Or use Chinese immigrants to secure the border. Tell them if they serve on the border for two years they get to be citizens, and offer them a small commision for every illegal border crosser they turn out.

China does it cheaper!

[Orsyn]

shoot to kill.

[Vlad76]

Originally Posted by villin

Yeah but shooting them is a helluva lot easier.

I think it should be made into a sport. Every border jumper you plug earns you 5 points and at the end of every month the redneck with the most points gets $50K. That'll pretty much snuff out the problem within 6 months.

Hope you are kidding.

But then if you are not, It would be easy to shot the immigrants using redneck labor than stop the Us citizens from consuming drugs like the do now that is for sure....

But rednecks vs cartels is a different story, immigrants cant defend themselves against rifles but cartels would lunch a fucking rocket to redneck farms and destroy every single one of them, then comes Us army to the rescue, and well, what can I say, we all can see how well the Us army does vs rebels, at the end it is not a good option is it?.....

[Mithra]

Originally Posted by Vlad76

....
But rednecks vs cartels is a different story, immigrants cant defend themselves against rifles but cartels would lunch a fucking rocket to redneck farms and destroy every single one of them, then comes Us army to the rescue, and well, what can I say, we all can see how well the Us army does vs rebels, at the end it is not a good option is it?.....

Patrolling the border and patrolling an entire country are two vastly different things

[Vlad76]

Originally Posted by Mithra

Patrolling the border and patrolling an entire country are two vastly different things

I know, but fighting middle or low budgeted rebels and fighting unlimited sourced cartels are 2 very different things, religion can make those crazy ass rebels in Iraq do some extreme shit, money can push man kind to do some crazy stuff too...

All and all I do not support the cartels or anything they do, as I don’t support immigrants being shot by rednecks....hope it never happens and not only do I speak on behalf of the immigrants but for those Us people living, traveling and studding here in Mexico...if you catch my drift…