[ShaolinSubz]

(Not me personally)

British student secretly released after more than two years in America's notorious Guantanamo Bay terror suspect prison told last night how he had been barred from returning to the UK.
And, as Jamal "Tony" Kiyemba spoke of the systematic torture he suffered at the hands of his captors, The Mail on Sunday has learned that Home Secretary Charles Clarke personally intervened to keep him out of Britain on "national security grounds".

The 25-year-old Londoner has been returned to his country of birth, Uganda, where he is now in custody. Kiyemba was freed without warning last week as international pressure mounted on America to close the detention camp after a highly critical UN report on the treatment of prisoners there.

Last night his lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, who specialises in human rights cases, handed this newspaper a dossier detailing the abuses his client alleges he suffered.

Kiyemba claims the Americans forced him, under torture, to confess to terrorist activities, and that MI5 interrogated him repeatedly, quizzing him about British terror suspects and the jailed clerics Abu Hamza and Abu Qatada.

The Government is refusing to reveal why Kiyemba, a Leicester University pharmacy student who grew up in London and whose mother, four brothers and sister all live in Britain, has been excluded from the country. But his lawyer believes something he was tortured into saying may hold the clue.

Kiyemba was granted indefinite leave to remain in the UK when he left Uganda following the death of his father in 1993. He didn't apply for British citizenship and this meant that at Guantanamo Bay he was not entitled to representation by the Foreign Office nor, on his release, to automatic rights to return to his family.

"I may not be British according to some bit of paper but in reality I am a Brit and always will be," he told his lawyer. "My doctor, my local mosque, my teens, my education, employment, friends, taxes, home and above all else my family - it is all in Britain."

Kiyemba was arrested in Pakistan in March 2002. He had gone there, he claims, to study Arabic and the Koran because it was "very cheap". He says he was held there for two months, beaten by Pakistani intelligence officers, threatened with torture and, finally, blindfolded and gagged, put on an American plane and flown to the US prison at Bagram in Afghanistan.

There, he claims, he was subjected to systematic torture. He told his lawyer that he would be "hung on the door for two hours and then allowed to sit for half an hour but never allowed to sleep. This would go on for 48 hours in a row".

After this, he claims, he would be taken for interrogation for two hours at a time. "I had to kneel on the cold concrete throughout the interrogations with my cuffed hands above my head," he said. "The only way out, I was told, was to confess. I heard and saw other torture - banging, screaming, cries, barking dogs and a dead guy who had tried to escape. One of the MPs [military police] said: 'Who's next?' So I confessed to be left alone."

Kiyemba's lawyer says his client was then interviewed by MI5 officers. 'They showed him many pictures of supposed terrorists in the UK and told him that he could only get them to help if he helped them.

"But he did not know any of them - he recognised Abu Hamza and Abu Qatada from television but had never seen them in person."

In October 2002 Kiyemba was transferred to Guantanamo Bay. He recalls how on the journey he was forced to wear "the tightest cuffs to date, with chains, taped goggles, ear muffs, nose masks and taped gloves to prevent finger movement". He added: "Any movement meant you got hit by the nearest soldier."

At Guantanamo, Kiyemba says he had three more visits from MI5 who asked him if he wished to make any changes to his previous statements. He says when he said no, "they left in what seemed like an angry mood".

He added: "The American interrogators did not believe my story. Soon they had me standing up for sleep deprivation. They swore that if I did not admit to having planned jihad in Afghanistan, then what lay ahead for me would be far worse.

"The Americans promised to send me to "our Egyptian friends who are renowned for torturing and they will do the dirty work for us". In the end I just gave up resisting and told them what they wanted to hear so that they would leave me alone."

But, he says, the torture did not let up. On one occasion Kiyemba claims he was forced to the ground by guards, bound and soaked with pepper spray.

"They then sprayed it on a towel until it was soaked and rubbed the towel in his eyes," his lawyer noted. "He did not know what to do about the pain. He asked a medic, who told him to wash his eyes out with cold water - this made it worse."

A letter from a senior Foreign Office staffer was the first official word Kiyemba's family got of his release. It said: "You should be aware that the Home Secretary has personally directed that he should be excluded from the UK on grounds of national security."

Last night Mr Stafford Smith, director of the human rights group Reprieve, called on the Home Secretary to reconsider his client's plight.

He said: "Jamal Kiyemba has lived his whole life in Britain since he was a boy. His mother and family all live here. Charles Clarke refused to lift a finger to help him when he was being abused in Guantanamo Bay. Now he has barred him from his home and his mother based on allegations he won't reveal but which were almost certainly based on what Jamal said under torture."

Source:
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/feb...6confessed.htm

[GermanBJJ]

Thanks for covering important topics mainstream media!

Is there a blonde girl that is in trouble in a foreign country? Am I supposed to be outraged at some tiny Caribbean nation?

[bird1965]

Originally Posted by GermanBJJ

Thanks for covering important topics mainstream media!

Is there a blonde girl that is in trouble in a foreign country? Am I supposed to be outraged at some tiny Caribbean nation?

This is yet to be verified. I don't believe his story that he knew nothing, saw nothing, heard nothing. The Pakistani police picked him up for a reason. Also it seemed by the article the Pakistanis did the torturing. Could we have a less bias source than prisonplanet?

[GermanBJJ]

Originally Posted by bird1965

This is yet to be verified. I don't believe his story that he knew nothing, saw nothing, heard nothing. The Pakistani police picked him up for a reason. Also it seemed by the article the Pakistanis did the torturing. Could we have a less bias source than prisonplanet?

Yeah, I am not saying it is true, just that it isn't covered. The mainstream media could probably get to the bottom of this story quickly if it gave it some attention.

[Spencikiss]

maybe he's lying?

[mesomorph]

I've also heard in an interview(with a lawyer who works for some Guantanamo-prisoners), that 2 British guys confessed in Gitmo to being in some OBL terrorist training-camp at certain time, due to torture. But this could later be proved wrong as they were in Britain working at that time.

Have no source for this. He was on BBC's(I think) HardTalk more than a year ago. But I think it's pretty obvious that there have been/are innocent people there. AND that torturing is a very counter-productive tool in questioning. You don't get some vital intelligence that way, you get what you want to hear. Plus, it also raises more hostility towards the US.

[Evil Eye Gouger]

Originally Posted by mesomorph

I've also heard in an interview(with a lawyer who works for some Guantanamo-prisoners), that 2 British guys confessed in Gitmo to being in some OBL terrorist training-camp at certain time, due to torture. But this could later be proved wrong as they were in Britain working at that time.

Have no source for this. He was on BBC's(I think) HardTalk more than a year ago. But I think it's pretty obvious that there have been/are innocent people there. AND that torturing is a very counter-productive tool in questioning. You don't get some vital intelligence that way, you get what you want to hear. Plus, it also raises more hostility towards the US.

But who cares?

As long as somebody suffers, to please the bloodthirsty hardliners?

Whether they're guilty, innocent, who cares. Blood asks for more blood, and if they're innocent, fuck it, the free world doesn't want to know. He probably did something else that was not ethical.

Just burn that motherfucker. Long live the free world and the Western civilisation!

[Das Uberdog]

Originally Posted by mesomorph

I've also heard in an interview(with a lawyer who works for some Guantanamo-prisoners), that 2 British guys confessed in Gitmo to being in some OBL terrorist training-camp at certain time, due to torture. But this could later be proved wrong as they were in Britain working at that time.

Have no source for this. He was on BBC's(I think) HardTalk more than a year ago. But I think it's pretty obvious that there have been/are innocent people there. AND that torturing is a very counter-productive tool in questioning. You don't get some vital intelligence that way, you get what you want to hear. Plus, it also raises more hostility towards the US.

the incident you are referring to was covered in the BBC documentary 'Torture'. the two men confessed to being two different people shown in a video, that was shot in Afghanistan at a time that they were in Britain.

a lot of the information gained from torture is faulty in the first place, but then our intelligence services don't even go to the trouble of verifying it anyway..

[ShaolinSubz]

I actually read the same report word for word in a british paper late last week. The daily mail. So prison planet copy and pasted the report. (I went to the website at the time but had no joy finding the artlicle on ta internet)

[ShaolinSubz]

Here is the thread I posted in
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showth...=338014&page=4

and this is what I wrote....

Quote:
Originally Posted by condon
Fuck you you fucking pussy. We're not the Jedi knights fighting the Dark side for the good of men or some fairy tale shit. This is protecting our country you fucking ***got. If torturing some terrorist is gonna shed some light on the next terrorist plot, then fuck all of those camel lovers and fry their balls off.

You ***gots think we live in a fantasy land where there's good and evil....there's no good and evil you homos, there's the US and it's enemies, FUCK YOU and FUCK THEM.

Let's get all their oil


I was going to write about some articles I saw today in the papers here about someone just recently released after over two years from Gbay. He confessed to terrorim under torture while being held in a jail on the way to Gbay from pakistan, where he was to learn the koran in detail. Its making quite a lot of noise here because it seems to be evident about his treatment and forced confession as well as innocence, also MI5 where involved in the interrorgations. But I would rather take some time out to say .... You think you can justify Gbay by saying the torture of innocents is OK if it might lead to the capture of terrorists? No DICKHEAD The torture of terrorists can lead to the capture of terrorists so go on down to the whitehouse in your white gown and hood (which I know you own somewhere in your family tree) and string up your president, before he dies he might give you a few names.... YOU TWAT