[Bohemio_82]

I mean seriously I don't get it...This nation was built upon the principle that it's citizens have the right to keep and bear arms. Why would you want to abolish this wonderful freedom that puts us in a much better position to defend our homes/families/selves from enemies foreign or domestic? Why are all the gun control nuts satisfied being sheep instead of being wolves? Don't people realize that most of the other countries in the world that don't allow their citizens to own a gun have all been subject to communism, fascism, or some other totalitarian regime. Also taking right to bear arms from an honest citizen allows the citizen of mal-intent an opportunity to pray upon the innocent. Just look at a country like Brazil as a good example. The people don't have a right to bear arms and in turn are subject to extreme violence from huge street gangs, corrupt police etc. They have no say. We have gangs here and violence but not like you see in South America, or other parts of the world for that matter. We have a better justice system than most, and we have 80 million+ gun owners in this country. We are not worried about huge street gangs, or even para militaristic police (at least not yet). We, the people, are the largest standing army in the world. Why would you compromise that because of a few school shootings, armed robberies, violent crimes etc. These things will happen with/without guns, and with/without them being legal! Guns don't kill people! You know the rest.... If you want to be a good American and do something for your country I suggest you go and purchase a firearm, educate yourself on it, and learn how to use it competently. It'll be good for everyone (including you ultra liberal conspiracy freaks. The "powers that be" will certainly notice if the population ups it's gun purchases from 80 mil to 120 in a matter of 5 years!) I know this sounds like I am some ultra conservative republican etc. but I am in fact a registered independent whom actually shares substantially more views with the left than I do with the right. But you're not taking away my guns! And fuck you if you'd like to see them go! Go live under a dictator if you don't want rights/freedoms.

Here is wisdom:
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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The strictest law sometimes becomes the severest injustice.
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. ... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion; what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." -- Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787

"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."-- Thomas Jefferson

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so" --Adolph Hitler.

"One man with a gun can control 100 without one."- Lenin

"Gun control "protects" you from being able to shoot back." ?
"Gun Control is not about guns; its about CONTROL!" ?

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."
--Japanese Admiral Yamamoto, 1941

"All military type firearms are to be handed in immediately...The SS, SA and Stahlhelm give every responsible opportunity of campaigning with them. Therefore anyone who does not belong to one of the above-named organizations and who unjustifiably nevertheless keeps his weapon...must be regarded as an enemy of the national government." -- SA Oberfuhrer of Bad Tolz, March, 1933.

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA -- ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the state." - Heinrich Himmler.

"...if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist." - Alexander Hamilton

"God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it." - Daniel Webster

"No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson

"The said constitution shall never be construed to authorize congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samuel Adams

"Americans need never fear their government because of the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation." - James Madison

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! - I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater … confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and punishment (1764).

"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property . . . Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine, Thoughts on Defensive War (1775).

"(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- James Madison, The Federalist Papers

"Suppose that we let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal: still it would not be going to far to say that the State governments with the people at their side would be able to repel the danger...half a million citizens with arms in their hands" – James Madison, The Federalist Papers

"Both the oligarch and Tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of arms."—Aristotle

"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms-- never --never--never!" William Pitt (1777)

"Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker, in his edition of 'Blackstone's Commentaries,' 1:300 (1803).

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them." - Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution (1833).

[BAMF]

I agree gun control will solve nothing and if anything make people less safe.

[thethirddiaz]

Where is that Colin Powell pitcure? That is a long post, man. That being said, I agree, gun control is hitting yuor target at 100 yds.

[BAMF]

Originally Posted by thethirddiaz

Where is that Colin Powell pitcure? That is a long post, man. That being said, I agree, gun control is hitting yuor target at 100 yds.

Hhahaha no shit i didnt even attempt to read all of that.

[YeahBee]

I am thorn on the issue, clearly something is wrong in the US, far too many accidents nad shootings that would not occur if people didn't have gun so avaible, waht is a drunken brawl over here cannot escalate into a fatal shooting, guns are tools and should of course be avaible in the right hands

[BAMF]

Originally Posted by YeahBee

I am thorn on the issue, clearly something is wrong in the US, far too many accidents nad shootings that would not occur if people didn't have gun so avaible, waht is a drunken brawl over here cannot escalate into a fatal shooting, guns are tools and should of course be avaible in the right hands

The problem is criminals will always be able to get guns illegally so if you take away the ability for people to get guns legally all you do is take them out of the hands of those who wish to protect themselves and allow criminals to rome free with the knowledge that people will be defenseless.

[Jin-Roh]

I'm not going to read that whole fucking thing, but yes, I am for guns.

Gun Control can mean so many fucking things, and I haven't heard of a policy I agree with yet.

[louieb]

Easy, when you live in the country that has more gun violence than almost all other countries if not all other countries.
I don't like being shot at. it's not fun. Whats the point in owning an AK-47 when your a civilian. When was the last time you shot a deer with revolver? Never!!

[BAMF]

Originally Posted by louieb

Easy, when you live in the country that has more gun violence than almost all other countries if not all other countries.
I don't like being shot at. it's not fun. Whats the point in owning an AK-47 when your a civilian. When was the last time you shot a deer with revolver? Never!!

Guns arent just for hunting. AK-47 are illegal in most states. A revolver can save you life if a mugger pulls a kinfe or something on you and you have a revolver you can make a much easier getaway if you have a gun pointed at the mugger.

[Jin-Roh]

Originally Posted by louieb

Easy, when you live in the country that has more gun violence than almost all other countries if not all other countries.
I don't like being shot at. it's not fun. Whats the point in owning an AK-47 when your a civilian. When was the last time you shot a deer with revolver? Never!!

I'm sure if you take away my legal, registered revolver that muggers and criminals with unregistered firearms will just hand theirs over too.

Make handguns illegal, and only the criminals will have guns.

YOU CAN'T CONTROL GUNS. You as well try to control drugs.