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Old 08-06-2006, 05:28 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Hizbullah rockets cannot be fired from buildings

OK now, let's hear the excuses and the lies that the Zionist supporters will come up with to counter the facts in this article:


Hizbullah rockets cannot be fired from buildings

31/07/2006 | The Irish Times
Tom Clonan

Hizbullah has fired almost 2,000 missiles into Israel over the last fortnight, killing more than 50 Israelis and forcing almost one million into air raid shelters.

Despite this provocation, however, Israel's response has been sharply criticised as "disproportionate" in many quarters. In the aftermath of the deaths of dozens of innocent Lebanese women and children at Qana yesterday, even the US has urged the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) to modify their responses to Hizbullah's attacks.

IDF spokespeople are maintaining that Hizbullah had been mounting missile attacks on Israeli territory from Qana in recent days. The IDF has claimed it targeted the three-storey house in Qana at 1.30am local time in the belief it contained a Hizbullah "asset".

Any investigation into the targeting of this house will have to consider precisely what kind of Hizbullah "asset" could possibly have been hidden in a modest, low-rise building among the narrow streets of a village such as Qana.

The type of missiles being fired by Hizbullah at Israeli cities cannot be fired from within houses, mosques, hospitals or even UN facilities as has been suggested by the IDF. Due to the massive "back-blast" caused by the rocket launchers of these missiles, they can only be fired from open ground. To fire them from within a building would result in the instant death of the missile crew and probable destruction of the missile before launch. Most of the missiles are truck-mounted and are fired - on open ground - from the backs of flat-bedded trucks or larger four-wheel-drive vehicles.

When fired, these missiles generate an enormous flare of light, heat and sound energy - a heat and light signature which is readily detected by IDF target-acquisition systems. Accurate retaliatory fire can be directed at Hizbullah launch sites by IDF aircraft and ground artillery in seconds. Such a reaction would be considered by international military norms to be proportionate and within the general "rules of engagement".

In these circumstances, having fired their missiles, Hizbullah tends to disperse as rapidly as possible. It is unlikely that a flat-bedded truck with a multilaunch rocket-system mounted on it could be easily and rapidly hidden in a village as small as Qana. Nor is it likely that such a truck-mounted weapon or four-wheel-drive vehicle could easily be hidden in a house such as the one targeted by the IDF yesterday.

The pattern and circumstances of the attack are sinister. With no telltale scorch marks from a Hizbullah missile launch visible near the destroyed house, and with no Hizbullah fighters among the dead and injured, the question remains as to what kind of "asset" the IDF could credibly allege to have been contained within the building.

The timing of the attack, taking place as it did during a period of relative calm and not in the immediate aftermath of a Hizbullah missile launch, speaks of a punitive strike designed simply to kill members of the Shia community from which Hizbullah is drawn and receives its moral support. The targeting of unarmed Shia women and children would represent a deliberate targeting of innocent civilians for retaliatory or punitive purposes, and may well constitute a war crime.

Tom Clonan is The Irish Times security analyst.

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Old 08-06-2006, 05:33 PM   #2 (permalink)

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Even if the rockets can't be fired from buildings they can still be hidden in them. And I don't even like israel.
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They blow up buildings because as you may no know in the region many buildings are built on "legs". The first floor resembles a car port in many lebanese buildings. It is here that Hezbollah is hiding thier mobile launchers. Israeli drones typically follow the vehicles leaving the site of an open ground rocket firing, then attack them while on route or once they get back to thier hiding place.
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Even if the rockets can't be fired from buildings they can still be hidden in them. And I don't even like israel.
If you dont "like Israel" then why are you making shit up to defend their actions?

You dont bomb a civilian complex because there 'might' be a rocket hidden in one of the buildings.

So many of you have succumb to the lie's and propaganda, will you ever realise how foolish you've been?

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Israeli drones typically follow the vehicles leaving the site of an open ground rocket firing, then attack them while on route or once they get back to thier hiding place.
That's no excuse to blow up civilian apartment blocks, Israel's attacks are indiscriminate, they have no care for human life...Also your statemenst are generalisations, not every building that they have bombed has rockets in them, the red cross vans and aid vehicles have had nothing to hide.

Just keep believing that Israel's attacks are righteous, it shows how ignorant and stupid you are.
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That "security analyst" doesn't know shit.
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Old 08-06-2006, 05:58 PM   #6 (permalink)

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Due to the massive "back-blast" caused by the rocket launchers of these missiles, they can only be fired from open ground.
Tom Clonan is The Irish Times security analyst.

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People said the same kind of thing about RPG7's being used as anti-air. That didnt stop Somali's from finding a way.
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Old 08-06-2006, 06:01 PM   #7 (permalink)

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If you dont "like Israel" then why are you making shit up to defend their actions?
What did I make up? Are you saying that the rockets CANNOT be hidden in those buildings?
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You dont bomb a civilian complex because there 'might' be a rocket hidden in one of the buildings.
Sure you do. We do it all the time.
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There were no rockets fired from the Qana building, where 30 people were killed by a Bunker buster.

There were no rockets fired from the Red cross vans.

No Rockets fired from that UN observation post, although some of you fools will state "but there may have been rockets fired from CLOSE to the UN observation point".

You Israelie defenders are whats wrong with the world today....
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There were no rockets fired from the Qana building, where 30 people were killed by a Bunker buster.

There were no rockets fired from the Red cross vans.

No Rockets fired from that UN observation post, although some of you fools will state "but there may have been rockets fired from CLOSE to the UN observation point".

You Israelie defenders are whats wrong with the world today....
I would say you and the other supporters of terrorism is what is wrong.
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Old 08-06-2006, 06:19 PM   #10 (permalink)

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There were no rockets fired from the Qana building, where 30 people were killed by a Bunker buster.

There were no rockets fired from the Red cross vans.

No Rockets fired from that UN observation post, although some of you fools will state "but there may have been rockets fired from CLOSE to the UN observation point".

You Israelie defenders are whats wrong with the world today....
Is teh Qana building the one that collapsed 8 hours after shelling? I'm pretty sure that it was not a bunker buster. Do you have a source on this?

I really doubt that a red cross van was targetted by israel. One could have easily been hit though.

I have no idea bout the UN observation post. Where is your source?

I think that israel shouldn't even be there. I hate their policies. I hate zionism. But I hate radical islam equally.

You jumped down my throat when I said that the rockets could be stored in buildings. Obviously this is true unless you want to claim that they are ALL stored outside. If this is what you are saying, you need to provide a source and explain why the israelis would not simply strike the rockets from the air (if they are outside, they are easily seen).

I am not defending israel. I'm defending logic.
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