[RuSSiaNThuG]

Originally Posted by falconstalon

well what "sources" are you relying on?

if you accuse israel of supplying hezb with weapons plz provide a source, you were making the false claims not me






you want some sources?


PM says worried Russian weapons will reach Hezbollah - Haaretz - Israel News

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527...o-Lebanon.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/19/wo...19missile.html

USATODAY.com - Syria promises to enforce arms embargo

Funding of Hezbollah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Military funding
Hezbollah has also received Iranian-supplied weaponry, including 11,500 missiles already in place in southern Lebanon. 3,000 Hezbollah militants have undergone training in Iran, which included guerilla warfare, firing missiles and rocket artillery, operating unmanned drones, marine warfare, and conventional war operations.[11]

Mahmoud Ali Suleiman, the Hezbollah operative captured in August 2006 by the IDF for his role in the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid on July 12, admitted during his interrogation that he received weapons-training and religious instruction in Iran. He told his interrogators that he rode in a civilian car to Damascus, from where he flew to Iran. Other than the Russian-made Katyusha, Hezbollah's reported artillery cache is entirely Iranian-made.[citation needed]

On August 4, 2006, Jane's Defense Weekly, a defense industry magazine, reported that Hezbollah asked Iran for "a constant supply of weapons to support its operations against Israel" in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. The report cited Western diplomatic sources as saying that Iranian authorities promised Hezbollah a steady supply of weapons "for the next stage of the confrontation".[12]

Iran long denied supplying Hezbollah with weapons,[13][14] despite persistent reports to the contrary.[15][16][12][17] However, "Mohtashami Pur, a one-time ambassador to Lebanon who currently holds the title of secretary-general of the 'Intifada conference,' told an Iranian newspaper that Iran transferred the missiles to the Shi'ite militia, adding that Hezbollah has his country's blessing to use the weapons in defense of Lebanon".[18] The Israel Defence Forces regard Hezbollah as virtually an arm of the Iranian armed forces; a senior Israeli defence official told Jane's Defence Weekly that "we should consider that what we are facing in Lebanon is not a militia but rather a special forces brigade of the Iranian Army."[19]

Similar claims and denials regarding supply of weapons have been made with respect to Syria[20][13][21][22] Many have accused Syria of funneling the weapons to Hezbollah from its border with Lebanon. Hassan Khalil, a top political adviser to Nasrallah, said that the group "firmly opposes the supervision of the Syrian-Lebanese border," adding that "Hezbollah has enough weapons to defend Lebanon against [an] Israeli aggression, even if borders with Syria are completely closed".

[mkess101]

I was wondering when I started this thread if it would end up like the rest as a Pali/Israel thread. It's veered there a couple times, but not too bad I'd say.

If Hezbollah wants a destabilized Middle East, they're doing a bang up job toward that end. The more they pull crap like this, the harder it is for people like myself to say that war with Iran is a bad idea. I still wouldn't advocate it, but when the Iranians and Syrians pull this kind of crap they have to know how much they are escalating tensions. Lebanon has a democratically elected government which means absolutely nothing when Hezbollah comes in shooting and shows that its militias are stronger than the Lebanese army.

To those making the point that they take more interest in Israel's actions due to the financial relationship of the U.S and Israel and the U.S. tax dollars spent toward Israel, I'd say only that actions like those taken by Hezbollah over the last few days could potentially significantly affect the region, and in turn the U.S. I would say this situation deserves as much attention as any in the region right now. Again, I was very surprised that there was not one thread on this in WR. Shocked, actually. Aggressive military actions like these are how wars start. While not a certainty, civil war in Lebanon looks like a distinct possibility, and that's good for no one. Yet there was nothing in the WR on this until today. I think this deserves discussion (especially right now) equally as much as the Israel/Pali conflict. And truthfully, there's enough people in the WR with solid Middle Eastern knowlege (or at least a lot better than mine) to have good discussion on it.

[falconstalon]

Originally Posted by RuSSiaNThuG

Funding of Hezbollah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

wikipedia, yep factual

[Ham_Sandwhich]

Originally Posted by TheMMAn

the War Room has been recently inundated with anti-Israel stooges.

This results in little interest in criticizing Hez, since they are also an enemy of the Zionists.

Of course, Hez is not just anti-Israel, they are anit-Jewish, like i suspect many of the so-called Pali supporters here.

Thats such a jewish thing to say

[RuSSiaNThuG]

Originally Posted by falconstalon

wikipedia, yep factual

did your dyslexic self miss the rest of the sources?

[Beisia]

Originally Posted by TheMMAn

the War Room has been recently inundated with anti-Israel stooges.

This results in little interest in criticizing Hez, since they are also an enemy of the Zionists.

Of course, Hez is not just anti-Israel, they are anit-Jewish, like i suspect many of the so-called Pali supporters here.

Is Hez really "anti-Jewish" as you claim or anti Zionist/illegal occupation and aggression?

I'd like to see a source that backs up the claim they are anti-Jewish. Don't confuse Jews in general with Israel's agenda.

[RuSSiaNThuG]

Originally Posted by Beisia

Is Hez really "anti-Jewish" as you claim or anti Zionist/illegal occupation and aggression?

I'd like to see a source that backs up the claim they are anti-Jewish. Don't confuse Jews in general with Israel's agenda.

Anti-Semitism
Hezbollah has declared that it distinguishes between Zionism and Judaism, however the group has been known to use anti-Semitic rhetoric and fallacious accusations that Jews are deliberately spreading AIDS.[57][58][59][60] The Hezbollah-owned and operated television station Al-Manar was criticized for airing "anti-Semitic propaganda" in the form of a television drama depicting a Jewish world domination conspiracy.[61][62]

In 1996, Hezbollah called on "Muslim believers to boycott the movie" Independence Day due to the fact that a Jewish character played by Jeff Goldblum helps save the world from an alien invasion. Hezbollah called the science fiction movie "propaganda for the so-called genius of the Jews and their alleged concern for humanity." Goldblum responded that Hezbollah's anti-Jewish crusade "does not sit well with [him]."[63]

Others have attributed anti-Semitic statements to Hassan Nasrallah. Nasrallah was quoted as saying "if [Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."[64] However, Charles Glass believes that the quotation was likely a fabrication, citing other published accounts of the speech that had no reference to the anti-Semitic comment, and statements by the editor-in-chief of the Lebanese newspaper The Daily Star which published the quotes, that questioned both the translation and the "agenda of the translator."[65]

Amal Saad-Ghorayeb, a Shi'ite Lebanese scholar critical of Israel, firmly believes that Hezbollah is an anti-Semitic organization. As evidence, she quotes Nasrallah as saying, "If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli."[54]

In response to the criticism, MP Abdallah Qussayr stated that "Hezbollah has never been against religions. Hezbollah supports all religions, it supports interfaith dialogue, and it has no problem with any religion. Hezbollah considers Zionism to be the enemy, not the Jews as a people or a religion."[66]

Hezbollah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[mkess101]

Originally Posted by Beisia

Is Hez really "anti-Jewish" as you claim or anti Zionist/illegal occupation and aggression?

I'd like to see a source that backs up the claim they are anti-Jewish. Don't confuse Jews in general with Israel's agenda.

Well, whatever they are they sure aren't recognizing a democratically elected government in Lebanon when they go in shooting and flex their military muscle (which is basically Iran and Syria showing that the elections in Lebanon don't matter, they are really in control). Anti-zionist or anti-Jew? Probably more important that they are seemingly 100% anti-stability in the ME.

[GOD_OF_MUAYTHAI]

Originally Posted by TheMMAn

the War Room has been recently inundated with anti-Israel stooges.

This results in little interest in criticizing Hez, since they are also an enemy of the Zionists.

Of course, Hez is not just anti-Israel, they are anit-Jewish, like i suspect many of the so-called Pali supporters here.

the war room has been invaded with pro-israel anti-HUMAN idiots because they believe its ok to stomp a steel toe boot on the neck of innocent civilians in the name of "security", well if it wasnt for the brutal military occupation they conduct, there wouldnt be any terrorism to begin with...free palestine and end the US funded military occupation of palestine

[mkess101]

Originally Posted by GOD_OF_MUAYTHAI

the war room has been invaded with pro-israel anti-HUMAN idiots because they believe its ok to stomp a steel toe boot on the neck of innocent civilians in the name of "security", well if it wasnt for the brutal military occupation they conduct, there wouldnt be any terrorism to begin with...free palestine and end the US funded military occupation of palestine

Come on GOMT. This is a thread about Hezbollah and their recent military incursions in Lebanon. Stay on topic. Give your thoughts on this topic in this thread. I know there's plenty of others for you to bang your favorite drum in.