Green=Gold for Al Gore anyway

[Dochter]

Originally Posted by Conan Memories

Because he exposed the blatant flaws in your argument

Al Gore is a POS. Global Warming is a scam. End of story.

Al Gore my be a piece of shit, don't know him personally, but the last two parts are incorrect.

[Conan Memories]

Global Warming is a scam

Unless you think green jobs can control sunspots

[Dochter]

Originally Posted by Conan Memories

Global Warming is a scam

Unless you think green jobs can control sunspots

This is pretty amusing, you do realize that the CO2-warming relationship is in zero dispute, right?

Do you get your biology information from the Discovery Institute?

[Conan Memories]

Originally Posted by Dochter

This is pretty amusing, you do realize that the CO2-warming relationship is in zero dispute, right?

Do you get your biology information from the Discovery Institute?

You didn't address my point

C02 is necessary ok? Water vapor makes up 70% of the atmosphere. You want to make that a pollutant too? You want to make Co2 a pollutant? Is that what you are telling me?

Instead you want to be the typical envirowacko douche, spouting nonsense.

Tell me how green jobs can control sunspots genius.

Tell me how carbon credits can control sunspots.

Tell me how controlling how much energy people use, controlling their very lives can control sunspots. We have roughly a hundred years of temperature data, at best.

[Dochter]

Originally Posted by Conan Memories

You didn't address my point

C02 is necessary ok? Water vapor makes up 70% of the atmosphere. You want to make that a pollutant too? You want to make Co2 a pollutant? Is that what you are telling me?

Instead you want to be the typical envirowacko douche, spouting nonsense.

Tell me how green jobs can control sunspots genius.

Tell me how carbon credits can control sunspots.

Tell me how controlling how much energy people use, controlling their very lives can control sunspots. We have roughly a hundred years of temperature data, at best.

Your focus on sunspots is silly since there is a hell of a lot of evidence that CO2 -- as emmitted by human activities -- plays a very large role in changing the climate of the planet. CO2, as produced by human activities, is indeed a pollutant with profound environmental effects. Sulfur too is "natural" would you similarly contend that regulating sulfur emissions is likewise absurd? How about chlorofluorocarbons?

Just because there are aspects of the climate that cannot be controlled does not mean that we shouldn't seek to mitigate the effects that we can.

[Conan Memories]

Originally Posted by Dochter

Your focus on sunspots is silly since there is a hell of a lot of evidence that CO2 -- as emmitted by human activities -- plays a very large role in changing the climate of the planet. CO2, as produced by human activities, is indeed a pollutant with profound environmental effects. Sulfur too is "natural" would you similarly contend that regulating sulfur emissions is likewise absurd? How about chlorofluorocarbons?

Just because there are aspects of the climate that cannot be controlled does not mean that we shouldn't seek to mitigate the effects that we can.

No it's not silly. You just can't answer that question. There is no question that sunspots play a major role in temperatures.

Global warming and the sun -- latimes.com

Current sunspot activity is at the lowest since 1913. Temperatures on a downward trend.

NASA/Marshall Solar Physics

There are thousands of scientists that dispute that man plays a significant role in global temperatures. co2 is co2. Either it's a pollutant or it's not. Based upon your logic, cow farts are a pollutant as well. What about water vapor? You can't answer any of this though. You just spout the stupid envirowacko BS that Gore and friends are making millions upon millions off of. It's the biggest scam ever perpetrated on society. All about control. Period.

The last time I checked, plants don't need sulfur to survive like they need co2 for photosynthesis. But GOre makes a movie, throws up some bogus charts. Envirowacko scientists make claims which have actually been proven false BTW, and suddenly 3rd grade biology goes out the window. Unbelievable.

[Saint Of The K]

^ You seem to know a lot about CO2.

Could you tell me how much "man made" CO2 is produced each year, and what volume of CO2 is naturally present in the atmosphere ?

[bullshido]

Dochter is an idiot who bought into the Gore BS. You need to quit breathing if you are worried about c02 emmitted by human activities. Give me a fucking break. Are you for taxing every time I breath? That emmits c02

[brackis1]

Originally Posted by clmetal

Lobbying and capitalism become so innocent when Al Gore gets involved.

He recently got the government to loan more than $500m to build make $90g hybrid sportscars in Finland. Why aren't venture capitalists funding this entirely? and why are we creating green jobs in other countries?

Where the fuck did I say it was innocent?
I'm simply calling you talking head retards out for thinking Gore isn't playing the nasty game of bigtime business that thousands of other rich capitalists are.
This debate should be about the technologies and their use, but because Gore makes money off it, right wing idiots throw their hands up and proclaim it to be useless and/or more corrupt than any other infrastructure project, while also claiming he is somehow the sole person involved, and walks away with every penny spent on this related to him.

[Dochter]

Originally Posted by Conan Memories

Current sunspot activity is at the lowest since 1913. Temperatures on a downward trend.

Temperatures are not on a downward trend. 9 of the 10 hottest years on record have been since 2000.

The only way you can manage to demonstrate a negative trend is by including only a small portion of the available data and then even then only look at from 1998 to now. It is actually quite hard to demonstrate a negative trend because the data don't support there being one. If you use any sort of normal way of detecting trend (even just a two-year moving average) there is a clear positive trend even in the highly cherry-picked data you're referring to.

The available data are overwhelming in demonstrating continued warming. That's not to say that sunspots don't play a role but energy interests are massively overplaying their hand on that point because there simply isn't the evidence to support it.

Originally Posted by Conan Memories

There are thousands of scientists that dispute that man plays a significant role in global temperatures. co2 is co2. Either it's a pollutant or it's not. Based upon your logic, cow farts are a pollutant as well. What about water vapor? You can't answer any of this though. You just spout the stupid envirowacko BS that Gore and friends are making millions upon millions off of. It's the biggest scam ever perpetrated on society. All about control. Period.

Thousands of scientists. If you recall the last time that bs petition was posted it had very few actual climate scientists on it. Of those on the petition that were climate scientists, many of them stated that they did not agree with the petition but did agree with the scientific consensus. I guess we should look to dental hygiene "scientists" for our climate information though.

Originally Posted by Conan Memories

The last time I checked, plants don't need sulfur to survive like they need co2 for photosynthesis. But GOre makes a movie, throws up some bogus charts. Envirowacko scientists make claims which have actually been proven false BTW, and suddenly 3rd grade biology goes out the window. Unbelievable.

3rd grade biology? What on earth are you talking about? CO2 causing temperature increases is pretty close to 3rd grade biology so why the surprise that causing a massive increase in atmospheric CO2 would cause warming? It is a simple relationship that was demonstrated over a hundred years ago.

Also, what claims have been proven false?