[CL Ice]

Originally Posted by Old_Fogey

Global warming is caused by increased output from the sun because of higher than usual 'sunspot' activity. It has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of CO2 that humans are pumping inthe atmosphere. Compared to natural processes (phytoplankton, trees, etc), the percentage of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere by humans is in the low single figures. The effect is negligible, at best.

The reason why global warming is so 'popular' at the moment is because many clever people are using 'global warming scare tactics' to make huge amounts of money. Al Gore is one of these people.

With your logic, and I'm not being a prick, Global Warming is not dependant on man-made, wrong-doings? I don't get it, please elaborate.

[lrbinfrisco]

Originally Posted by Fantomskillz

So, I recently ran into someone who actually uttered and believe the above phrase. And I've been thinking about it ever since. Is there anyone who can shed some light on why they believe Global Warming doesn't exist? Or perhaps someone can explain why anyone would believe this?

Whether the climate is warming or cooling depends on the time period that you're looking at. You could truthfully state that we're either in a state of global warming or of global cooling depending on which reference point you choose as your starting point. This could be one reason why some people believe that there isn't any global warming.

Alternatively, the term "Global Warming" is often taken to mean "Anthropogenic Global Warming". In fact sometimes it's associate with all findings of the IPCC report and measures such as the Kyoto treaty that attempt to remedy AGW. Many may accept that we're in a state of warming say since 1970, but that most if not all of that warming is due to natural causes and not by man. Others may accept AGW, but disagree on the amount of net damage it will cause. Some believe in AGW, but don't believe that it is possible for us to remedy it by reducing our CO2 emissions. And still others may accept AGW and that it is possible to fix it by reducing our CO2 emisisons; but they reject that government mandated taxes, cap and trade, or other government intrusion are the best way to accomplish reduction of CO2 emissions or think that such governemnt intervention is too costly.

For me personally, I doubt that any significant AGW is taking place. I have studied the science supporting this theory, and find that IMO it does not conform to the Scientific Method. I also have questions about the credibility of some of the observations. But I do believe that we've most likely experienced global warming since the 1970's. I do not believe that future predictions of dire consequences of global warming are accurate either.

My greatest fear is that world wide AGW legislation will significantly increase costs of agricultural and industrial output while at the same time lowering the amount of agricultural and industrial output. I belive that these results will be far more costly in terms of money, human life, reduced human lifespan, and other significant measurements than what we would see with predicted global warming.

[NaglfarCommando]

Originally Posted by CL Ice

With your logic, and I'm not being a prick, Global Warming is not dependant on man-made, wrong-doings? I don't get it, please elaborate.

No it isnt. the pollution and such is our fault, but the warming and cooling of the earth we have no affect on. That's my take on it. I stay out of this usually because I honestly dont want to do the work for the arguments.

[Broncoi!]

it exists, cant deny it

[Fanu]

World CO2 levels at record high, scientists warn | Environment | guardian.co.uk

[Fanu]

Originally Posted by Old_Fogey

Global warming is caused by increased output from the sun because of higher than usual 'sunspot' activity. It has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of CO2 that humans are pumping inthe atmosphere. Compared to natural processes (phytoplankton, trees, etc), the percentage of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere by humans is in the low single figures. The effect is negligible, at best.

wow, there is not one scientist on the planet who can exaplain this or say he has it figured out

but you can...

[NaglfarCommando]

Originally Posted by Fanu

World CO2 levels at record high, scientists warn | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Hmm.. didnt someone say that the Guardian is laughable?


And I thought plants breathe CO2?

[7wtc911]

Originally Posted by Fantomskillz

So, I recently ran into someone who actually uttered and believe the above phrase. And I've been thinking about it ever since. Is there anyone who can shed some light on why they believe Global Warming doesn't exist? Or perhaps someone can explain why anyone would believe this?

I think some believe Global Warming does exist, only, not primarily caused from humans. It is caused because the sun has recently been getting hotter and that's why on planet Mars, the polar ice caps are melting; not because people's C02 on earth are making the ice caps on mars melt. I think those people believe that Global Warming exists, but not primarily caused by humans, and rather caused by the sun.

National Geographic: Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says

NASA: Mars is Melting


We need more research and cannot just tie a pretty little pink bow on the subject, say that humans cause it, or the sun causes it, and move on.

[Old_Fogey]

Originally Posted by Fanu

wow, there is not one scientist on the planet who can exaplain this or say he has it figured out

but you can...

Just have a look at this website:

http://www.globalwarminghoax.com

It may educate you.

[budreck]

What's funny is that even John McCain is acknowledging it as a serious problem. This gives me faith that even if Obama is not elected, not every conservative is retarded like the Bush administration.