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Old 11-04-2009, 10:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Gay marriage Rejected by Maine voters

Analysis: Maine a harsh loss to gay-marriage drive - Yahoo! News

Analysis: Maine a harsh loss to gay-marriage drive
By DAVID CRARY, AP National Writer David Crary, Ap National Writer 1 hr 38 mins ago

The stars seemed aligned for supporters of gay marriage. They had Maine's governor, legislative leaders and major newspapers on their side, plus a huge edge in campaign funding. So losing a landmark referendum was a devastating blow, for activists in Maine and nationwide.

In an election that had been billed for weeks as too close to call, Maine's often unpredictable voters repealed a state law Tuesday that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed. Gay marriage has now lost in all 31 states in which it has been put to a popular vote — a trend that the gay-rights movement had believed it could end in Maine.

"Today's heartbreaking defeat unfortunately shows that lies and fear can still win at the ballot box," said Rea Carey, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent of the vote. They prevailed in many of Maine's far-flung small towns and lost by a less-than-expected margin in the state's biggest city, Portland.

"The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across the nation," declared Frank Schubert, chief organizer for the winning side.

Attention will now turn to other states, including California — where Schubert was an instrumental strategist a year ago in the successful campaign to overturn cost-ordered same-sex marriage.

Gay-rights activists have been planning to go back to the ballot in California, either in 2010 or 2012, in another attempt to legalize gay marriage. But the Maine result was not the victory they had been hoping for to fire up their troops.

Brian Brown of the National Organization for Marriage, a conservative group that steered substantial funds to fight gay marriage in both California and Maine, was elated by Tuesday's result, saying it shows that "that even in a New England state, if the voters have a chance to have their say, they're going to protect and defend the commonsense definition of marriage."

At issue in the referendum was a law passed by Maine's Legislature last spring that would have allowed gays to wed. The law was put on hold after conservatives launched a petition drive to repeal it.

Five other states have legalized gay marriage — starting with Massachusetts in 2004, and followed by Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut and Iowa — but all did so through legislation or court rulings, not by popular vote. In contrast, constitutional amendments banning gay marriage have been approved in all 30 states where they have been on the ballot.

Brown said "out-of-touch legislators" are a principal reason same-sex marriage has taken hold in New England.

"What we're saying is give us a chance to take our message to the people and let the people decide," he said. He also suggested that the outcome in Maine will give pause to lawmakers in New York and New Jersey, where gay-marriage legislation is pending.

Richard Socarides, who was an adviser on gay-rights issues in the Clinton administration, said the loss in Maine should prompt gay-rights leaders to reconsider their state-by-state strategy on marriage and shift instead to lobbying for changes on the federal level that expand recognition of same-sex couples.

In Maine, gay-marriage supporters conceded early Wednesday.

"We're in this for the long haul," said Jesse Connolly, manager of the pro-gay marriage campaign. "For next week, and next month, and next year — until all Maine families are treated equally. Because in the end, this has always been about love and family and that will always be something worth fighting for.

A similar note was sounded by Democratic Gov. John Baldacci, who signed the bill into law last May and spoke out in defense of the law.

"If we don't get to the top of the mountain tonight, we've made a significant stride. And we're going to get there," he said late Tuesday. "We will get to the top of the mountain."

Both sides in Maine drew volunteers and contributions from out of state, but the money edge went to the campaign in defense of gay marriage, Protect Maine Equality. It raised $4 million, compared with $2.5 million for Stand for Marriage Maine.

Stand for Marriage based many of its campaign ads on claims — disputed by state officials — that the new law would mean "homosexual marriage" would be taught in public schools. That was the same theme used to persuade Californians to reject gay marriage.

Elsewhere on Tuesday, voters in Washington state voted on whether to uphold or overturn a recently expanded domestic partnership law that entitles same-sex couples to the same state-granted rights as heterosexual married couples. With half the precincts reporting, that race was too close to call.

In Kalamazoo, Mich., voters approved a measure that bars discrimination based on sexual orientation.

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this is pretty big news, and coverage for it seems to have disappeared after elections. Another blue state joins the failure on gay marriage. Well, this time, you cant blame the mexicans, blacks, or mormons.....

If maine cant do it, can any other state get the motion going?
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Maine is hardly a blue state if you know it. Like everywhere else the city folk are liberal and others aren't
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:03 AM   #3 (permalink)

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Those same people probably voted no. Its pc to say yeah i support gay marriage. People aren't the same in the booth.

And i'll probably get bashed or maybe even banned for this but i could care less...

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Old 11-04-2009, 11:13 AM   #4 (permalink)

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Direct democracy is a shitty way to decide on issues. But instead of doing all of these state by state gay marriage things, they should focus on getting DOMA revoked if they ever want real equality.
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:35 AM   #5 (permalink)

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well the voters have spoken. It wont be good enough. The gays will cry like they always do and take it to court until they get what they want
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If the people don't want then it should be a dead issue. All they can do now is put it on the next ballot and hope for the best.
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It's because old people vote and young people do not.

This shit's bananas. I'll never fully understand it. The gay marriage opposition, not old people voting.
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It's because old people vote and young people do not.

This shit's bananas. I'll never fully understand it. The gay marriage opposition, not old people voting.
If the gays get the right to marry, Western society will collapse within a week. True story.
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They need to rethink their attitude. The whole "You accept it....OR ELSE!!!" turns more people away from their cause [though the left is notorious for this attitude whatever their cause]

The Church raids in Cali and Michigan did more to turn people against them than anything else.
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If the gays get the right to marry, Western society will collapse within a week. True story.
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