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Old 05-13-2008, 05:56 PM   #51 (permalink)

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I still think the French mma community is mostly composed of anti-american fans. They will always accuse the UFC of being financed by Cosa Nostra(and what about the links between japanese mma and the yakuzas), always cheer on the pride fighters and criticize the US shows for the quality of their crowd and the way they treat the fighters.

I agree with you Snake, the Pride entrances were awesome. But what I don't get is the degree of nuthuggism of the French Pride fans.
But from what I see they've not been as nice as they are said to have been with their fighters.

SNAKE:You're a very good exemple: they gave you a fight against their best LHW(Shogun), for what was supposed to be your Pride debut, he was an horrible match-up for you and they called you on short notice(a couple of weeks I think). Plus, you were injured.

They obviously wanted him to win in a dominant fashion, which he did, even if you had the best of him on your feet.

You helped them build up their poster-boy record and reputation. They never called you back.
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Old 05-13-2008, 06:35 PM   #52 (permalink)
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^^Probably because shortly afterwards, the company imploded.

I want The Snake in the UFC.

Please fighter somewhere that matters. Tons of great matchups for you in the UFC!!!
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Old 05-13-2008, 10:57 PM   #53 (permalink)

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Dude... it's the French. Them being assholes isn't exactly new.
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:10 AM   #54 (permalink)

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Old 05-14-2008, 07:18 PM   #55 (permalink)
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I still think the French mma community is mostly composed of anti-american fans. They will always accuse the UFC of being financed by Cosa Nostra(and what about the links between japanese mma and the yakuzas), always cheer on the pride fighters and criticize the US shows for the quality of their crowd and the way they treat the fighters.

I agree with you Snake, the Pride entrances were awesome. But what I don't get is the degree of nuthuggism of the French Pride fans.
But from what I see they've not been as nice as they are said to have been with their fighters.

SNAKE:You're a very good exemple: they gave you a fight against their best LHW(Shogun), for what was supposed to be your Pride debut, he was an horrible match-up for you and they called you on short notice(a couple of weeks I think). Plus, you were injured.

They obviously wanted him to win in a dominant fashion, which he did, even if you had the best of him on your feet.

You helped them build up their poster-boy record and reputation. They never called you back.


1) The French fans preffered Pride because they were more exposed to Pride than the UFC for years. Plus the French do not have a wrestling culture... and for a LONG time the UFC was 60% american wrestlers fighting each other. The success that Pride had with the French fans had alot to do with the entrances/video clips that Pride produced (in 1 word THE SHOW). UFC didnt focus on that part for a long time.


2) Pride has ALWAYS been very bad with the match ups!!! Bringing in under trained/injured fighters or putting Top guys against new guys... but the fact is nobody forced anybody!!!

I fought Shogun knowing the risks and even though i fought in bad conditions i did what i could to win. Thats what fighters are about. COMPETITION! THE CHALLENGE! I dont regret! And certainly dont see myself as a victim!!!
Of course i knew i was the underdog....and that Pride probably wanted an exciting fight with me losing in the end. But i wanted to prove them wrong and knock him out while i could....before my gass tank was empty.
I knew that i had less chances than him to win... and if i could do it again i'd do it....and again try hard to whoop his ass !
To live the rush/excitement going down the cat walk... standing in the ring with their champ...and exchanging.... of course it was all worth it.

About the "they never called you back" ...well its hard to fight for an organization that doesnt exist anymore!!! I had 3 more fights with them on my contract.....and they were pleased to have me ...and then they went under!


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Old 06-21-2008, 01:14 PM   #56 (permalink)

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I don't think the French sound particularly unreasonable on this ... the UFC isn't really aimed at them yet.

However, there clearly is substantial anti-American animus when it comes to the French sporting world. Witness Lance Armstrong, for example, and his treatment by the French press. Was he doping? Of *course*, 95% of the tour riders are doped with enough drugs to kill an ox. The French media's obsession with showing Armstrong to be a cheater is more than a little motivated by wounded national pride ... not since the glory days of Hinault/Fignon has a Frenchman been in contention for the Tour. The French are a very prideful people, and they don't enjoy the intimation that they aren't competitive.

Interestingly, people tend to hate the French for the exact same reasons they hate Americans. The two nations are quite similar in many respects ... it's just their relative power that has changed.
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Interestingly, people tend to hate the French for the exact same reasons they hate Americans. The two nations are quite similar in many respects ... it's just their relative power that has changed.
Excellent point. It's only natural that there will be hostility between the two.
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Old 06-21-2008, 02:19 PM   #59 (permalink)

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I had no idea the Snake posted on Sherdog. That is just awesome. Thank you for the interesting information.

It's time to heal the rift between America and France

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I don't think the French sound particularly unreasonable on this ... the UFC isn't really aimed at them yet.

However, there clearly is substantial anti-American animus when it comes to the French sporting world. Witness Lance Armstrong, for example, and his treatment by the French press. Was he doping? Of *course*, 95% of the tour riders are doped with enough drugs to kill an ox. The French media's obsession with showing Armstrong to be a cheater is more than a little motivated by wounded national pride ... not since the glory days of Hinault/Fignon has a Frenchman been in contention for the Tour. The French are a very prideful people, and they don't enjoy the intimation that they aren't competitive.

Interestingly, people tend to hate the French for the exact same reasons they hate Americans. The two nations are quite similar in many respects ... it's just their relative power that has changed.
The French media destroyed and ridiculed Richard Virenque way way more than Lance Amstrong.
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