[TheMMAn]

Originally Posted by flatline

I don't blame or judge, I just learn what I can and deduce as much as possible what the likelihoods of this or that theory are.

When there is a crime and someone comes out, says they know who did it and points the finger, then goes and retaliates without any proof or evidence that makes me suspect. Especially if they withhold potentially case-breaking things pertaining to the case, and stifle investigations.

Fair enough. But when the crime is observed by thousands of eyewitnesses, for the most part captured on film, and the suspect admits he did it, and it closely resembles an earlier crime tied to that suspect, it is the height of sheer insanity (or stupidity) to say there is "no evidence".

I stated earlier that i am receptive to the idea that the FBI might have dropped the ball in 93 and then covered up. I don't fully belive it, since there isn't overwhelming evidence.

You, on the otherhand state that you don't know of any attempts by foreighn terrorist on US soil, then cite a case of a terrorist attack on U.S. soil by foreighn terorists.

Not trying to be a dick here, just trying to understand.

[TheMMAn]

Originally Posted by flatline

Actually I'm very aware of his views and all that, thats why I posted what I did.

gotcha, missed the sarcasm

[WUchi]

i dont think it was an inside job, but they knew something was gonna happen and did nothing to stop it (for many reasons) ...

or else why would they tell certain important people not to fly on that day.

[flatline]

Originally Posted by TheMMAn

Fair enough. But when the crime is observed by thousands of eyewitnesses, for the most part captured on film, and the suspect admits he did it, and it closely resembles an earlier crime tied to that suspect, it is the height of sheer insanity (or stupidity) to say there is "no evidence".

I stated earlier that i am receptive to the idea that the FBI might have dropped the ball in 93 and then covered up. I don't fully belive it, since there isn't overwhelming evidence.

You, on the otherhand state that you don't know of any attempts by foreighn terrorist on US soil, then cite a case of a terrorist attack on U.S. soil by foreighn terorists.

Not trying to be a dick here, just trying to understand.

It APPEARED that the suspect admitted being guilty of it, but that video doesn't seem to be authentic. If it was, it would be evidence with which to file charges. Right now, OBL is wanted for the embassy bombings and other terrorist actions not on US soil.

I didn't cite a terrorist attack on U.S. soil by foreign terrorists, I cited a terrorist sting operation that was conducted by the CIA, more likely than not. A sting operation on a drug dealer, and an actual drug deal are much different.

What is the earlier crime tied to OBL that has resembalance to 9/11? The man who was the subject of the CIA sting that was part of the 93 WTC bombing was an Egyptian Imam I believe, and he to my knowledge, was not working under OBL.

[flatline]

Originally Posted by WUchi

i dont think it was an inside job, but they knew something was gonna happen and did nothing to stop it (for many reasons) ...

or else why would they tell certain important people not to fly on that day.

Well all of us that are not holding the highest level of security clearance really cannot speculate in any major respect on what happened on that day. The closest we are able to come, by any measure, is to guess that this or that is that theory is less likely more or likely than another. Its only possible to base it on the VERY limited amount and quality of information we as unprivleged citizens in this case have. I think its just flat out ignorant to say that this or that organization or person did it or didn't do it (with any certainty), because we just don't have the ability to make that speculation beyond reasonable doubt.

[Zankou]

Look, I'm not against being critical of the government, and the "weak" conspiracy theory that the government knew a terrorist attack was coming is not overly implausible. Plainly the US gov't exploited 9/11 to the absolute hilt afterwards. I'm no friend of the administration.

It's the ridiculous CT religion --- and its indifference to basic principles of rational intelligence --- that I like to make fun of.

[911=GovntOp]

It was an IMPOSSIBILITY for al-Qaeda to have pulled off 9/11. For one, they've been penetrated by western intelligence since the mid-90s, just ask David Shayler and Mike Vreeland (former MI5 and Navy Intel). Mike Vreeland was in Canadian prison and gave a note to his jailers that hijacked planes were going to attack the WTC and Pentagon on the week of 9/11, he claimed to have known that while serving under Naval Intel. Second the 'hijackers' were being monitered since they entered this country, al-Qaeda meetings have also been spyed upon.

Also look at who the hijackers were. 5 of them including Atta recieved military training and learned English at US bases in Florida in the 90's and others have trained in CIA run camps in the Balkans.

[911=GovntOp]

Regarding WTC 7 having that giant hole in it, so what? It has seval solid steel collumns in it, a hole like that would do nothing to make it collapse.

[flatline]

Originally Posted by Zankou

Look, I'm not against being critical of the government, and the "weak" conspiracy theory that the government knew a terrorist attack was coming is not overly implausible. Plainly the US gov't exploited 9/11 to the absolute hilt afterwards. I'm no friend of the administration.

It's the ridiculous CT religion --- and its indifference to basic principles of rational intelligence --- that I like to make fun of.

What is equally ridiculous is your seemingly impervious mentality that the US government wouldn't do such a thing, that they are either unable or unwilling to break the law, or to sacrifice morals or American lives to achieve their goals when their track record shows the opposite.

[Zankou]

Originally Posted by 911=GovntOp

It was an IMPOSSIBILITY for al-Qaeda to have pulled off 9/11. For one, they've been penetrated by western intelligence since the mid-90s, just ask David Shayler and Mike Vreeland (former MI5 and Navy Intel). Mike Vreeland was in Canadian prison and gave a note to his jailers that hijacked planes were going to attack the WTC and Pentagon on the week of 9/11, he claimed to have known that while serving under Naval Intel. Second the 'hijackers' were being monitered since they entered this country, al-Qaeda meetings have also been spyed upon.

Also look at who the hijackers were. 5 of them including Atta recieved military training and learned English at US bases in Florida in the 90's and others have trained in CIA run camps in the Balkans.

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