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Old 08-31-2006, 11:53 AM   #11 (permalink)

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Old 08-31-2006, 11:55 AM   #12 (permalink)

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Old 08-31-2006, 12:05 PM   #13 (permalink)
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on one hand i see that it could have been terrorist, because so many people hate our way of life and what we stand for. plus you have to understand the mentality of warfare. a smaller entity taking on a much larger should strike and move to send a huge message. on the other hand it could have all just been a means to start a war. people had linked thier leader to conspiracy for thousands of years. for those of you who know about "the art of war" know what i am talking about. the last time when kuwait was invaded we went to war. everyone was pissed off calling it another vietnam. so now a new strategy, lets make america think we are under attack and we need to defned ourselves from "terrorist". its not about defending ourselves its about power.
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on one hand i see that it could have been terrorist, because so many people hate our way of life and what we stand for. plus you have to understand the mentality of warfare. a smaller entity taking on a much larger should strike and move to send a huge message. on the other hand it could have all just been a means to start a war. people had linked thier leader to conspiracy for thousands of years. for those of you who know about "the art of war" know what i am talking about. the last time when kuwait was invaded we went to war. everyone was pissed off calling it another vietnam. so now a new strategy, lets make america think we are under attack and we need to defned ourselves from "terrorist". its not about defending ourselves its about power.
If it really was the 'terrorists' who did it, maximum casualties and damage would have been sought out. This was not the case, as the towers did not topple on to adjacent buildings. There is no record of any terrorists seriously pursuing an attack on the WTC either, outside of the 93 bombing which was a sting operation by the CIA in which they admitted to on tape, saying to their agent (an egyptian intelligence double agent) that they would switch the explosives for duds before the attack was to happen. Even considering that, I'm not aware of any terrorist attack that was orchestrated to happen on US soil by foreigners.
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If it really was the 'terrorists' who did it, maximum casualties and damage would have been sought out. This was not the case, as the towers did not topple on to adjacent buildings. There is no record of any terrorists seriously pursuing an attack on the WTC either, outside of the 93 bombing which was a sting operation by the CIA in which they admitted to on tape, saying to their agent (an egyptian intelligence double agent) that they would switch the explosives for duds before the attack was to happen. Even considering that, I'm not aware of any terrorist attack that was orchestrated to happen on US soil by foreigners.
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If it really was the 'terrorists' who did it, maximum casualties and damage would have been sought out. This was not the case, as the towers did not topple on to adjacent buildings. There is no record of any terrorists seriously pursuing an attack on the WTC either, outside of the 93 bombing which was a sting operation by the CIA in which they admitted to on tape, saying to their agent (an egyptian intelligence double agent) that they would switch the explosives for duds before the attack was to happen. Even considering that, I'm not aware of any terrorist attack that was orchestrated to happen on US soil by foreigners.
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Why would it be, since its more evident than not?

If you could bring to light information that would disprove that, then go right ahead, thats why we have discussions.
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Why would it be, since its more evident than not?

If you could bring to light information that would disprove that, then go right ahead, thats why we have discussions.
I liked your comment that they were not seeking a high number of causualties. Flying planes into 2 of the world's highest skyscrappers at 9am on a Tuesday morning.

OBL is on a tape basically taking credit for 911, stating that they did not expect the towers to fall (praise allah) - so I don't think he thought a domino effect was even possible.
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If it really was the 'terrorists' who did it, maximum casualties and damage would have been sought out. This was not the case, as the towers did not topple on to adjacent buildings. There is no record of any terrorists seriously pursuing an attack on the WTC either, outside of the 93 bombing which was a sting operation by the CIA in which they admitted to on tape, saying to their agent (an egyptian intelligence double agent) that they would switch the explosives for duds before the attack was to happen. Even considering that, I'm not aware of any terrorist attack that was orchestrated to happen on US soil by foreigners.

So your saying that the attackers tried to minimize casualties??

We need to have your source for proof that the CIA was behind the 93 bombing. It gets too serious in here form time to time, and i could use a good laugh.

You're not aware of any orchestrated terrorist attack? You mean besides 93 and 2001? Why the hell would you be aware of it. If you are not being searcastic with this post, then i doubt that you are aware of anything that is related to factual evidence.

Please be sarcasm. If not, please post requested source.
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So your saying that the attackers tried to minimize casualties??

We need to have your source for proof that the CIA was behind the 93 bombing. It gets too serious in here form time to time, and i could use a good laugh.

You're not aware of any orchestrated terrorist attack? You mean besides 93 and 2001? Why the hell would you be aware of it. If you are not being searcastic with this post, then i doubt that you are aware of anything that is related to factual evidence.

Please be sarcasm. If not, please post requested source.
Your assuming you know who did 9/11 yet your own intelligence services and greatest investigators do not know. Somehow it seems you have more and better quality information than they do, I hope you can understand why I don't believe that to be the case.

About your source--

Tapes in Bombing Plot Show Informer and F.B.I. at Odds
By RALPH BLUMENTHAL
The New York Times
Section A; Page 1; Column 4; Metropolitan Desk
October 27, 1993, Wednesday, Late Edition - Final


The informer at the center of the Government's case in the plot to bomb New York City landmarks had a volatile relationship with his handlers, often quarreling with F.B.I. agents who used him to infiltrate a group of Muslim extremists who have been charged in the plot, according to transcripts of secretly taped conversations.

"You were informed. Everything is ready. The day and the time. Boom. Lock them up and that's that. That's why I feel so bad."
Transcripts of the hundreds of hours of tapes -- which were recorded by the informer, Emad A. Salem, without the knowledge of the F.B.I. -- were distributed to defense lawyers yesterday. Although Judge Michael B. Mukasey ordered the lawyers to keep them secret, a copy of the transcripts was made available to The New York Times.

The tapes offer a rare glimpse into the sensitive relationship between the confidential informer and the law-enforcement officals with whom he worked. They also reveal for the first time how Federal and police agents instructed him to "pump up" a suspect for information and negotiate a $1 million fee from the Government for his services.

Scattered through the hundreds of pages of transcripts are many instances in which the Government agents appear to encourage Mr. Salem to lead the suspects to incriminate themselves. Defense lawyers have long contended that the Government crossed a legal line, instructing Mr. Salem in a fishing expedition that became entrapment. Although the bulk of the transcripts does not appear to show the agents steering Mr. Salem toward improper or illegal conduct, whether they did so finally will be resolved in court.

Many New Details

Among the details included in the transcripts are the following:

*A reference by Mr. Salem to 12 possible bombs and hitherto unmentioned targets, including Grand Central Terminal, the Empire State Building and Times Square.

*A New York City police detective working with the F.B.I. told Mr. Salem, who was getting $500 a week from the Government, that if he wanted a $1 million informer's fee, he should press for $1.5 million and then negotiate.

*An unusual suggestion that some of the money sought by Mr. Salem was going to be put up by private individuals.

*A reference from Mr. Salem, in a conversation with an F.B.I. agent, to an argument between F.B.I. officials over whether Mr. Salem should remain an unidentified informer or surface as a witness to testify at trial.

*A major defendant in the World Trade Center trial was tipped off by a neighbor to an elaborate F.B.I. ruse to search the Brooklyn apartment of another suspect, Mahmud Abouhalima, and replace explosives in his apartment with false explosives supplied by the F.B.I.

*Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, a defendant in the second bombing case, was using a fax machine to command anti-Communist Muslim rebels, moving forces from Pakistan to Afghanistan and dealing with a code-named agent from Hamas, the militant Palestinian group, Mr. Salem told the F.B.I.

The transcripts cover Mr. Salem's dealings with the suspects and his work for the Government over a period of at least two years, going back to the trial in the killing of Rabbi Meir Kahane. Mr. Salem recorded the conversations with Government agents on his own, without the knowledge or consent of his contacts in the F.B.I., apparently to use as an insurance policy to hold the Government to its promises of money and protection.

Some of the most striking passages in the transcripts show Mr. Salem agonizing over what he suggests was the failure of the F.B.I., despite his information, to halt the Feb. 26 bombing of the trade center, in which six people were killed. Although Mr. Salem is not a witness in that case, he was working with the Government at that time.

"They told me that 'we want to set this,' " Mr. Salem said, referring to the bomb in a conversation on April 1 with John Anticev, one of the F.B.I. agents he reported to, and sometimes complained to others about. " 'What's the right place to put this?' "

Then he added, still speaking to the agent: "You were informed. Everything is ready. The day and the time. Boom. Lock them up and that's that. That's why I feel so bad."
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