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Old 05-17-2008, 03:26 AM   #1 (permalink)

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Are the rich cheap or do we owe them a thank you??

Taxes are high in this country with the rich paying 50% and were on a path to socalism. Whats your thoughts? Discuss?

Are the Rich Cheap?
By John Stossel

I've pointed out in recent weeks that the American people are the most generous in the world.

But I was surprised to learn the working poor give a larger percentage of their income than the rich. Last week I did a TV special, "Cheap in America," in which I playfully gave some billionaires a hard time about what they don't give to charity.

Ted Turner is giving $1 billion to the United Nations. He got lots of great publicity for that, and he told me that he'd like to give away more, but he was too poor. "I've given away so much, and lost so much. It's all I can do. I'm doing all I can. I'm worried about the viability of our Social Security. I want to be sure that I have enough money to make it through, you know, my old age, when I finally do retire, at about 95."

But he still has $2 billion left. Isn't that enough? "Not enough! Not in the way inflation -- you know, I was worth $10 billion about four, five years ago, and I lost eight of it, so the other two could evaporate overnight."

Dan Duncan had a different excuse. He's made $7 billion by finding cheaper ways to pipe natural gas and oil from place to place. He and his wife have given millions to charity, but their gifts are only about 2 percent of his net worth.

I suggested that maybe he was "cheap," and he answered: "Sometimes you're better off to hold on to that money longer and make it bigger." His wife, Jan, added, "It takes money to make money so that we'll have more to give away."

That may have sounded cheap to my TV audience, but it's actually a pretty good reason for Duncan not to give to charity. Great business creators like Duncan and Turner waste their skills if they just give money away. They do more for the world by creating businesses. Turner started with 12 employees. By the time he merged CNN with Time Warner, he employed 12,000 people.

Is there a better way to help the poor than by creating jobs -- opportunities for self-improvement? And when businesses make useful products cheaper and more plentiful, that helps the poor more than charity. Discount retailers like Wal-Mart help low-income people tremendously. Would Sam Walton have done as much for the poor by giving all his money to charity? I don't think so.

That's what T.J. Rodgers, founder of Cypress Semiconductor, thought when Turner gave $1billion to the United Nations, a bureaucracy famous for squandering money. "What he said is patently stupid," Rodgers told me. "What he should do is take his money and invest it. And to have the companies and buildings and plants that are created with his investment create jobs and wealth and products for other people. So running around giving his money away is a way to maybe make himself feel good. But it sure as hell isn't a good way to help people!"

It's a shocking comment in this season of giving, but it's also a good point. We lavish praise on the philanthropist, but you can't give away what hasn't been created.

Philosopher David Kelley put it this way. "Why do we think that giving away money is better than making money? Giving away money is a lot easier than building a new business or a new industry where you've created something that didn't exist before. I have a lot more respect for Ted Turner for building CNN at a time when no one thought it was possible than I have for any possible good he could do as a philanthropist."

I'll still give 20 percent of my income to charity, because I'm not good at building businesses. But for those of you who are, no need to apologize for creating wealth
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:03 AM   #2 (permalink)

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Hmmm...good article. Hard to argue with the logic. I still won't be giving to charity either way because I already pay enough of my money to taxes.
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:38 AM   #3 (permalink)

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Hmmm...good article. Hard to argue with the logic. I still won't be giving to charity either way because I already pay enough of my money to taxes.
"Billionairs handle their money better than the government.(No private sector business could operate at a debt like the u.s government, would you invest in a company 3trillion in debt run by Bush?) Bill Gates is better of investing his money in the private sector to ceate more jobs, than to give it all to the government.

If you think that even nonprofit charities are not a business your nuts. ex. Enron United Negro Pizza Fund"

I gpt flamed hard for this post in a "2% of people control too much tread"

nice post
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well, it is really better for the world that the 2%(i.e. intelligent people with enough sense to build busininesses) own most of the money as compared to the other 98%(a bunch of morons who would blow their money on frivolous crap instead of reinvesting it). Either way the savvy business man will come out on top. Giva all the money to the poor, most of them are to stupid to save or invest it, they will just blow it. Once again making some businessman rich. Most of the poor in this country are there because they belong there, they are too stupid or too lazy to make anything else of themselves. The only people I have sympathy for are single parent families working their asses off to get by.
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oh wait judging by your previous posts that might be difficult. why don't you just post some stupid random photobucket pics cuz that's always original and proves your pont.
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well, it is really better for the world that the 2%(i.e. intelligent people with enough sense to build busininesses) own most of the money as compared to the other 98%(a bunch of morons who would blow their money on frivolous crap instead of reinvesting it). Either way the savvy business man will come out on top. Giva all the money to the poor, most of them are to stupid to save or invest it, they will just blow it. Once again making some businessman rich. Most of the poor in this country are there because they belong there, they are too stupid or too lazy to make anything else of themselves. The only people I have sympathy for are single parent families working their asses off to get by.
greatpost, Its like the saying you can give a hungry person a fish or you can teach him how tofish" or something like that

Bill Gates is better off investing his money to create thousands of jobs than to give everyone 300$.

This tread will more than likely be ignored and I will continue to see the "2% of the world are the new slave owners" crap
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I agree that there is a reason they have money: they are good with it, it is more useful in their hands then in the hands of people who would blow it on rims for their shitty car or drink it away as much fun as that might be.
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I would rather money go to nonprofits, community development, education etc... than someone making a killing opening McDonalds or putting more trash TV stations up.
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Good Article And I Agree Bush Should Be Torched Worst President Ever!!!!
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