Domestic Partnership in California Info/ Gay Marriage Debate

Mens Rea · 03:02 PM

California has said that marriage is between a man and a women. They also offer domestic partnerships. Here's how you get one:

1. Fill out a form with your same sex spouse. Sign. Notorize.

2. Mail the form and $10 to the sec of state

3. Wait.

Seriously. That's it. Here's the 1-page form: http://www.ss.ca.gov/dpregistry/forms/sf-dp1.pdf

Here's the registry: http://www.ss.ca.gov/dpregistry/

Aside from being same sex, how is a domestic partnership "DP" different from a marriage?

1. No marriage license requirement

2. No tax breaks. (DPs are not federally recognised)

3. No immigration sponsorship benefits

4. No survivorship social security benefits

5. To terminate a DP, just file a notice of termination, no seperation, 6 months of waiting, or messy divorces!
(Although you do submit to the jurisdiction of the CA courts if things do get messy.)

6. Small chance of spousal support or alimony requirements on breakup

7. Must cohabitate with same sex spouse (there is no such requiremnt for marriages)

Sources:
http://www.aclu.org/getequal/rela/california.html, http://gaylife.about.com/cs/mentalhe...ompartcali.htm, http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0875328.html

A survey on here got me thinking about gay marriage and DP's. Here's some questions for you:

Are DP's enough to satisfy the gays? Should the gays stfu already about this?

If you disagree with DPs, can you explain what's wrong with them?

If you live outside of CA, would you have a problem if your state adopted similar laws? Why?

EDIT - I WAS CALLING THESE ABOMINATIONS *wink* CIVIL UNIONS, THEY ARE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS!

MT420MT · 10-24-2006, 02:15 PM

I dont see what's so unreasonable about that. How much of a tax break would they actually get?

**Lubaolong** · 10-24-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mens Rea

A survey on here got me thinking about gay marriage and civil unions. Here's some questions for you:

Are civil unions enough to satisfy the gays? Should the gays stfu already about this?

If you disagree with civil unions, can you explain what's wrong with them?

If you live outside of CA, would you have a problem if your state adopted similar laws? Why?

Should the government be able to decide which person A can sign a legal agreement with person B? There is no such thing as fair separation into seperate groups based on sex. Making these distinctions results in inequalities. Everyone should be equal under the law. The best solution would be to remove government involvement from this equation altogether.

Mens Rea · 10-24-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MT420MT

I dont see what's so unreasonable about that. How much of a tax break would they actually get?

I really don't know all that much about taxes. Maybe there's a CPA or tax atty who can help us out here. I do know that getting married changes things significantly.

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Originally Posted by Lubaolong

Should the government be able to decide which person A can sign a legal agreement with person B? There is no such thing as fair separation into seperate groups based on sex. Making these distinctions results in inequalities. Everyone should be equal under the law. The best solution would be to remove government involvement from this equation altogether.

By definition, marriage is inviting a third entity (the state) into a formerly two party affair. So if the gov't is going to be involved with things such as social security and taxation it seems as though they have a vested interest. The fight for gay marriage is a fight for these rights.

Darwinist · 10-24-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mens Rea

Are civil unions enough to satisfy the gays? Should the gays stfu already about this?

No. This is not equality. Why should one long-term relationship warrant a tax break while the other one doesn't?

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If you disagree with civil unions, can you explain what's wrong with them?

I don´t disagree with them, they are one form of cohabitation that should be open to all sexual persuasions equally.

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If you live outside of CA, would you have a problem if your state adopted similar laws?

Why?[/quote]

No I would not, and in fact my "state" already has these laws. And hopefully after the next election, full-on marriage. Many priests have already given their respective churches the finger and married same-sex couples regardless of the official stance.

J-Fight · 10-24-2006, 02:50 PM

Do you have proper sources on "Civil Unions" in CA? I tried your link and it didn't work. Anyways, what I thought I had read was that CA has a comprehensive "Domestice Partnership" law, similar to "Common Law." I don't think it offers all the protections of Civil Unions.

THe only states with civil unions is VT and CT that I was aware of.

**Lubaolong** · 10-24-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mens Rea

By definition, marriage is inviting a third entity (the state) into a formerly two party affair. So if the gov't is going to be involved with things such as social security and taxation it seems as though they have a vested interest. The fight for gay marriage is a fight for these rights.

Marriage didn't originally mean inviting a third party and therein lies part of the problem. I haven't really thought a whole lot about this, so I will reserve the right to change my mind later. For now, I say either endorse all legal bindings or remove government involvement altogether.

Mens Rea · 10-24-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by J_Fight

Do you have proper sources on "Civil Unions" in CA? I tried your link and it didn't work. Anyways, what I thought I had read was that CA has a comprehensive "Domestice Partnership" law, similar to "Common Law." I don't think it offers all the protections of Civil Unions.

THe only states with civil unions is VT and CT that I was aware of.

Shit, maybe you're right. I might have missed the title which is retarded on my part, they are calling these things domestic partnerships instead of civil unions. I'm not sure how much of a difference that makes to the debate though. What is the difference between a civil union and domestic partnership? I'll change the title of the thread.

This page links to the California Domestic Partnerships Act:
http://www.aclu.org/lgbt/relationshi...s20041115.html
The tax implications are in here^

**Lubaolong** · 10-24-2006, 03:01 PM

Here is the real question: If I'm already married, can I still pick up a few of these domestic partnerships? If so, I'm all for it.

Mens Rea · 10-24-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lubaolong

Here is the real question: If I'm already married, can I still pick up a few of these domestic partnerships? If so, I'm all for it.

No. You are not allowed to be in a marriage or other domestic partnership.

I'm pissed that they are limited to same sex couples. Those fucking bigots! This is the type of thing would shut a nagging gf up.

J_Fight - doesn't your state offer same sex marriage? Is society falling apart oer there?