[surge_factor]

I got to thinking about this the other day;

Tensions are high between Islamic countries and nations of other ideologies (e.g. Israel, the U.S., pretty much all of Europe etc.) and there are currently wars being waged, and cultural clashes occurring daily. But ultimately, do you see the new climate of terrorism, Islam's growing influence, and the mounting focus/scrutiny of Islam resulting in an all out war between allied nations on both sides?

I can't say I see it reaching that point myself, but I'm really curious to hear the educated opinions of the WR.

[RemoWilliams]

As opposed to an unarmed one?

To answer your question?

Yes. It's called what is best known by Christian Revelations as "Armageddon"

Seems we are down that path here eventually sometime soon.

[surge_factor]

Originally Posted by RemoWilliams

As opposed to an unarmed one?

To answer your question?

Yes. It's called what is best known by Christian Revelations as "Armageddon"

Seems we are down that path here eventually sometime soon.

Well, if you want to get loose with the semantics, I feel like we're already engaged in the 'unarmed war.' That thread about the anti-Muslim discrimination in Texas that was posted here a few days ago was one angle of insight. Of course there's the other side of the coin, where public outcry is occurring against previously underreported goings-on in the Islamic world...shit like that woman being set up to be executed for 'misnaming' a teddy bear. It's a war of words in most instances currently...but I mainly meant, is a formal declaration of hostilities likely between the western nations/Judeo-Christian forces and Islamic countries.

[Xenu]

Some Christians are stupid enough to want this!

"Jesus is coming back and it'll be a glorious genocide. Did you see the news? X happened and it's a sign that Jesus is coming back. Everything that happens somehow fits into my warped sense of prophecy and Biblical interpretation. It's all in the Bible!"

Anyone who follows the god of the desert and thinks that he'll return/bring about the destruction of the universe/rapture people/act in any way at all during human history, is a moron.

[Piper]

Originally Posted by surge_factor

I got to thinking about this the other day;

Tensions are high between Islamic countries and nations of other ideologies (e.g. Israel, the U.S., pretty much all of Europe etc.) and there are currently wars being waged, and cultural clashes occurring daily. But ultimately, do you see the new climate of terrorism, Islam's growing influence, and the mounting focus/scrutiny of Islam resulting in an all out war between allied nations on both sides?

I can't say I see it reaching that point myself, but I'm really curious to hear the educated opinions of the WR.

Not to be hard on you, but is your question a rhetorical one or just a bloody ignorant one? – pun intended.

The war, an armed bloody war, was declared on the non-Muslim world 1400 years ago, and still continues. Some years it is more bloody than others. When Muslims have more resources and more arms, then they use them. In the last few decades they have been receiving an infusion of TRILLIONS of dollars to their countries in cartel-squeezed oil revenues. They are funding Jihad and terrorists worldwide, spending as much as 60% of their national budgets on weapons, and moving into nuclear weaponry and delivery systems.


Try buying or renting these videos:

Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West
http://www.amazon.com/Obsession-Radi...5121671&sr=8-1



Islam: What the West Needs to Know
http://www.amazon.com/Islam-What-Wes...d_bxgy_d_img_b

In those videos you will see many experts interviewed, and you can find their books on Amazon, or libraries.

If you go to the website www.thereligionofpeace.com you can see they maintain record of the body count almost daily.

If you go to the website www.jihadwatch.org you can see daily news reports from around the world on their Jihad activities. (in their left sidebar, there are dozens of good links, too)

If you want an educated, written analysis, read the free on-line book www.islamundressed.com

There are very good sources at sites run by EX-MUSLIMS at:
www.islam-watch.org
www.faithfreedom.org

If you want to go to Amazon.com you can find MANY books on the subject. Start with Robert Spencer's "Onward Muslim Soldier". He has several other books there, too.

This is another good start on the subject:



Religion of Peace?: Islam's War Against the World

http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Peace...5121943&sr=8-1


If the non-Muslim countries can muster the sense to wage a cold war, like that against the communists, then it is possible that Islam could crumble like communism did. If not than an all-out war like that waged against the Nazis and Imperial Japanese is what will eventually take place.

[Marsupial]

Originally Posted by surge_factor

I got to thinking about this the other day;

Tensions are high between Islamic countries and nations of other ideologies (e.g. Israel, the U.S., pretty much all of Europe etc.) and there are currently wars being waged, and cultural clashes occurring daily. But ultimately, do you see the new climate of terrorism, Islam's growing influence, and the mounting focus/scrutiny of Islam resulting in an all out war between allied nations on both sides?

Well, the jihadis see themselves as already engaged in a holy war but Islamic countries are another story.
Frankly, the Arab world has repeatedly proven itself to be crap in a fight. They're not looking for war anytime soon. Not with the U.S., any European country or even Israel.
The Arab world (not every country with a large Muslim population) is where the vast majority of Islamic extremism emanates from.

Indonesia is the most populous Muslim country on the planet but I don't see them spoiling for a fight with anyone (unless it's a small, indigenous people fighting for independence on one of the many islands in the archipelago).

Now, as for the 'other side', I don't see there being any country in the Western world that would or could go to war as an explicitly Christian force opposing the rival religious identity of other countries.
It doesn't matter how much of a Bible-basher George Bush is, or how much airtime televangelists get, the U.S. is not a Christian country and can never correctly identify itself as such.
I can't think of any country, currently, that is a theocratic Christian state in the same way that e.g. Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Iran are theocratic Islamic states.
Perhaps the Vatican, if you consider it a state?

So the jihadis can call their struggle a 'holy war' if they want but I don't see any countries going to war in the name of a religion.
I don't see any official 'Islam vs. Christianity' scenario happening at all.

The way the world looks right now I'd say it was impossible.

[InternetHero]

No. Because an open war by "Islam" (What like all those countries would suddenly kick their dictators and monarchs in unison?) against the West would be catastrophic militarily and economically for the entire world, but especially for the Gulf States. I don't see a plausible scenario where this would happen.

[Xenu]

Originally Posted by Piper

Religion of Peace?: Islam's War Against the World

http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Peace...5121943&sr=8-1


If the non-Muslim countries can muster the sense to wage a cold war, like that against the communists, then it is possible that Islam could crumble like communism did. If not than an all-out war like that waged against the Nazis and Imperial Japanese is what will eventually take place.

It's all right here http://www.amazon.com/Holy-War-Milit.../dp/0786413360





This is one of the most frightening books I have read lately. The main thesis is that the three monotheistic fundamentalisms are conspiring to bring about Armageddon, the nuclear holocaust that will end the world as we know it and may extinguish all human life on earth - all in the name of God. I'm sure God would be proud.

Christian Fundamentalists are demanding the U. S. support Israel in it's land-grab of Yeretz Israel, land covering the area from the "great river of Egypt" through most if not all of Lebanon, all of Syria and Jordan, and parts of Iraq and Iran. The fundamentalist Christians believe when Israel occupies all this land and the Jews have rebuilt the temple, Christ will come again. The fundamentalist Jews believe when they rebuild the Temple the Messiah will come. The Palestinians say if anyone screws with the two Islamic Shrines on the Temple mount they will start WWIII. All three of these scenarios play straight into fundamentalist beliefs and the fundamentalists are working hard to make them happen. The truly astonishing thing is they may be successful. Each believing it is by the "will of God".


Temple Mount is believed by the Jews to be the locus of their ancient Temple. Known to Muslims as Haram al-Sharif (the Noble Sanctuary), this site is home to two mosques, one of which is the third most holy shrine in all of Islam. Jewish fundamentalists want to destroy the mosques on Temple Mount and rebuild the Temple. Christian apocalypticists are financing and supporting their efforts. If the mosques are destroyed, Islamic fundamentalists have vowed to destroy Israel, resulting in the possibility of nuclear war.

This book addresses the idea that the recent rise in Christian, Jewish, and Muslim fundamentalism, and the interactions of these three beliefs, are endangering peace in the Middle East. It fully examines the thesis that apocalyptic fundamentalists-Christians in America, Jews in Israel and America-are working together to hasten the coming of the Messiah by instigating a Holy War in the Middle East.

Several chapters focus on three U.S. political figures-Jerry Falwell, Ronald Reagan, and Pat Robertson-who helped bring Christian fundamentalism into the mainstream of American politics. One chapter tells of Jewish preparations for rebuilding the Temple on Temple Mount. Other chapters document the rise of religious fundamentalism in Israel since 1967, Haram al-Sharif-Temple Mount crises involving Christian-Jewish cooperation, and the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. Separate chapters are devoted to Israel's nuclear program and political psychology, and the fact that nuclear weapons are leaving Russia and finding their way to Islamic nations and Islamic terrorists.

[Reichreader]

The biggest war is Hollywood jews against White Christian America. It doesn't take place with guns, but the anti_White images we are constantly bombarded with on TV (i.e. beer commercials, gay sitcoms, office supply commercials with the "Black" boss, etc. etc.

It is all Jew hatred against White and Christians. ACLU Jews are anti-Christ and anti-Christian.

The war is already on. The Muslims are the least of our worries. Jew abortion doctors kill more than 9/11 every single day.

[Marsupial]

Originally Posted by Reichreader

The biggest war is Hollywood jews against White Christian America.

I hope Hollywood wins.

Obviously.