[megaseth7]

Well the U.S. did approach WW2 strategically. In fact we often waited for the Soviets to take the real brunt of the fighting and then jumped in at a strategic time in order to assert our position. If you believe that the U.S. was altrustic in its approach to the second WW maybe you do need to listen to Alex Jones a bit more. That or at least go read Churchills' History of the Second WW.

[megaseth7]

Originally Posted by joe broadway

WWI was to make the world safe for democracy and end all wars (neither of which happened)
15,000,000 dead

WWII was a strategic move of the US to gain world dominance
50,000,000 dead (obviously this was another war)

imo defending your country without invading another is acceptible, but what, in the end did the IRA really accomplish? factioning and fighting eachother?

this thread is about war not defence, a good offense is the best defence is not true

I think they got a parliament out of it...representation and local goverment.

[joe broadway]

Originally Posted by halfkorean

So we are infinitely different unless you want to use it in your argument?

You are right, animals never fight and kill each other. Animals never ravage land for their own benefit? Yes, one group of animals never engages in mortal battle with another group of animals but hit a bee hive and stand there, see what happens. Watch the Discovery channel every once and awhile and see the of ants can do in a forest migrating from one area to another. We have just taken these traits and made them more complex.

i cannot recall a time when the bees from the US united and went to war with the bees from mexico. like i have said a few times now, defending is different; like you said hit a bee hive: the bees would leave you alone if you dont hit it. the bees also are not going to the neighborhood of whoever hit the hive to wreak havoc (maybe if they were paid). thanks for telling me to watch more tv, but no.

I am sure I am. I am sure you don't use gas, don't use cable T.V., don't look at the weather. No one needs luxuries, but you have them and enjoy them.

i use gas, watch very little tv (only the worst shows i can find), i do not watch the weather and i wish i didnt do any of it. you really shouldnt pretend to know someone who you have never met

Of course and we believe what we were doing was right. Just like you don’t believe in war and are trying to convince people that there is no need for war and people disagree. There may be no need for war but how do you handle disputes that no one wants to give in on.

is this supposed to mean if i dont agree with canada it is ok for them to obliterate everyone in my neighborhood?

You have debates? Well then someone wants to take a vote, and the loser disagrees with the results, and gets a bunch of people that agree with him. Then they go and beat up the opposition, and the opposition retaliates, then the beating turn into killings, and it just becomes escalated.

this is exactly why war does not work; war is idiology, you cannot kill it

This is a simplistic example, add in other factors and it is very easy to see why power and war are necessary.

why is power necessary? war is necessary so you can kill the people who disagree with you?

Sure in an ideal world war would not be necessary, you could flip a coin for everything but this is not an ideal world and you have greedy extremist on all sides of the polygon thinking they are right. Then it becomes about who has the most people with the same set of ideals with them. It is a power struggle not to admit that would be stupid. The more people you have that agree with you and are willing to defend it then the better off you are. That is what the whole Cold War was about. Who could get the most allies the fastest.

I am sorry if you think you are an original but you are not. You have picked a “side” just like everybody else. You are not enlightened, or have you transcended anybody, you just have something you believe in like everybody else does.

there you go again; original thoughts are very rare and mine here is far from original. i am here to enlighten people like you, that does not make me enlightened. its not a belief, war escelates, it gets worse, more people die, bombs get bigger, cost more, kill more people. in the end all there is to show for it is more enemys, larger debt and some people made a lot of money

If you don't believe in the ideals of one group of people go join another group, instead of telling them that they are brainwashed, being controlled, or ignorant.

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[joe broadway]

Originally Posted by Commissar

You're pretty stupid.

War usually starts BECAUSE one group does some harm (physically, financially, ideologically, etc) on another group. You seem to know what killing is, but you have no clue what war is. There is a difference.

Anyway, I'm for war for financial gain. Since every single other thing has been influenced by Capitalism, I don't see why war should be any different.

ok since i am stupid, please tell me what war really is, because you must know.

i think you think you know what war is but dont. if you did, you would not simply write it off as ok since it is part of capitalism.

side note: when you name call, it makes you look bad (ask Bill O)

[joe broadway]

Originally Posted by megaseth7

I think they got a parliament out of it...representation and local goverment.

and which part of the IRA is represented?

[joe broadway]

Originally Posted by megaseth7

Well the U.S. did approach WW2 strategically. In fact we often waited for the Soviets to take the real brunt of the fighting and then jumped in at a strategic time in order to assert our position. If you believe that the U.S. was altrustic in its approach to the second WW maybe you do need to listen to Alex Jones a bit more. That or at least go read Churchills' History of the Second WW.

i dont really listen to mr jones, or read his material.

[halfkorean]

Originally Posted by megaseth7

I would say its a modernised version much more applicable to the 'real world'. I wonder myself why China has been given so much weight in regards to all the respect that its gotten. I do disagree with the whole Nixon policy of total engagement. I do support engagement but the U.S. has really hasnt asked China to live up to any real standards in regards to a number of things. I do take that back. I really feel that much of the recent 'spike' in inflation has to do with getting back at china for not floating their currency.

But getting back to Marxism...Marxism is a theory...just like Republican is a theory (how far has the idea of Republicanism gotten from the actual practice?) Just like Democracy is. Each will change....in fact Marx called it DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM. So I dont think that he wasnt mindful of the fact that theories change when applied to real world situations. What I am saying is that the Chinese Communists have done a very good job of improving their country.

There will always be points of contention in any system. If for example you would go to many of the former Soviet countries you will find both a thankfulness that things changed and also a real desire for how things used to be. Most of that has to do with the harshness of the KGB. People who used to live in the USSR will tell you that 'it was the perfect life'.

Of course life couldnt be better here in the U.S. and we have the best goverment in the world (pssss...if you think the price of gas is high now just wait until after the election). Of course there is no need to pay any attention to anything like the Federal Deficite...because we can always print more money...or at least promise to pay it back. At a certain level you have to say that central planning...which has gone very wrong.

I don’t know maybe you are from China, but mostly everybody that I have known from mainland China, not Hong Kong, has told me they don’t like the government but since they have no choice they choose to ignore it and try to get by the best they can. This tells me that the Chinese government stifled the drive and individuality of the people. For the most part “China” has left Hong Kong alone, so my friends from Hong Kong say they don’t mind it as much.

I have also met a quite a few Russians, and although they may have not been the real Russians you know, most of them were poor and working in Korea on temporary Visas to send money back. Even then they said it was better then how it was. The general consensuses were that communism sucked, unless you were elite.

Now I don’t know first hand how it feels to be under the rule of China or Russia, the closest I have come to China is Korea, and visited Russia in ’92 when I lived in Germany and what I have learned through other people about each but I will take my chances and enjoy the life I have in the U.S., even though it has it's problems.

[halfkorean]

Originally Posted by joe broadway

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Obviously there is no point in trying to discuss things with you when you can’t see things right in front of you.

[joe broadway]

Originally Posted by halfkorean

Obviously there is no point in trying to discuss things with you when you can’t see things right in front of you.

ditto

[joe broadway]

Originally Posted by Commissar

Profit is the purpose of life, so by extention, yes. Profit is the only purpose of war. Ideology, belief...these things hardly exist anymore. The war in Iraq right now is PURELY based on profit. Every single American knows this, and NOBODY is stopping it. People have accepted the point of war now.

i feel better knowing that. you have opened my eyes to the meaning of life. you are the best, thank you