[logos]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

First off, the ten commandments is a good point in proving that there are cultural values that have existed for long periods. This is true. However, for the ten commandments to be used as reference material for good and evil only shows that good and evil are learned concepts through perhaps a sort of collective conscious through the use of knowledge.

It doesn't, however, prove that good and evil is inherent. It does further strengthen the idea that perhaps we are predisposed to certain ideas passed down by knowledge. This, however, in my opinion, would only be because of practical purposes of functioning as a sort of collective defensive mechanism. It's a learned mechanism in response to the lack of natural defensive mechanisms needed to function as a group.

Therefore, we would be born with no knowledge of good and evil. We use passed down information to learn good and evil through ten commandments, hammurabi's code, etc.

I know this thread was initially about the existence of evil; however, it was my understanding that we were discussing moral truths- which we were.

As to the question of good and evil... I don't see how it can debated without including religion. Evil to the Atheist does not exist, bad things that happen are the result of a chaotic reality.

[Pillbox Joe]

Originally Posted by logos

I know this thread was initially about the existence of evil; however, it was my understanding that we were discussing moral truths- which we were.

As to the question of good and evil... I don't see how it can debated without including religion. Evil to the Atheist does not exist, bad things that happen are the result of a chaotic reality.

I can only say that I know there are no moral truths. There is no good and evil. There is only the strong and the weak. I see morality and good and evil as a tool of the strong to control the weak. It sounds narcissistic, but no other explanation makes sense.

[Jay Pan ROKK]

Evil is personal just like our bodies, there are not two people alike.

It could be reasoned as a material thing as well.

[Jerome_1]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

I can only say that I know there are no moral truths. There is no good and evil. There is only the strong and the weak. I see morality and good and evil as a tool of the strong to control the weak. It sounds narcissistic, but no other explanation makes sense.

So if morality is relative, forget for a second about labelling it as good or evil. Do you think someone breaking into your house and stealing your stuff would be right or wrong? Do you think a single person on the planet thinks it would be right?

[Pillbox Joe]

Originally Posted by Jerome_1

So if morality is relative, forget for a second about labelling it as good or evil. Do you think someone breaking into your house and stealing your stuff would be right or wrong? Do you think a single person on the planet thinks it would be right?

I believe that there are some people, namely priests and such, that would be ok with it because the person that stole it likely needs it over the person that it was stolen from. Ya, I believe that there are people who think that way.

Family situations as well could be seen as being okay if a family member steals from you. I know people personally that wouldn't think worse of them.

[Jerome_1]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

I believe that there are some people, namely priests and such, that would be ok with it because the person that stole it likely needs it over the person that it was stolen from. Ya, I believe that there are people who think that way.

Family situations as well could be seen as being okay if a family member steals from you. I know people personally that wouldn't think worse of them.

I'm talking about just stealing because they want your stuff, not out of necessity.

Is it right or wrong?

What about rape, is rape ever ok? Do you know anybody that thinks it would be ok for them to get raped?

If morality is relative, then why can't i just go out and steal whatever i want, or do whatever i want?

[Pillbox Joe]

Originally Posted by Jerome_1

I'm talking about just stealing because they want your stuff, not out of necessity.

Is it right or wrong?

What about rape, is rape ever ok? Do you know anybody that thinks it would be ok for them to get raped?

If morality is relative, then why can't i just go out and steal whatever i want, or do whatever i want?

Well, first off, anyone can argue that stealing is out of necessity. It may be a necessity in their mind, they can only appease it through the act of stealing, therefore making it necessary.

Second off, there are children being raped in New Guinea and Indonesian societies today in ritualistic fashion. Look up the Sambia tribe.

Thirdly, you can. You have the freedom to steal, cheat, lie, or whatever you choose to do. The only thing stopping you is yourself. (and maybe the police or whatever cultural laws you follow)

[canadafightteam]

Originally Posted by KönigTiger

Personally,I think Hitler is portrayed as a one dimensional monster. People would label him as a butcher or a tyrant. I think he did what he did because he genuninely cared for his people and his heritage. It was all about preserving the white race and keeping it strong. He did it in a bad way,yes but who here can really argue that in some sick way,what he did was noble...for his people anyway.

BTW:I just knew that this topic would eventually lead to Hitler/Nazis. Com`on,Stalin anybody?

stormfront is thatta way ----->

[omgitsrick]

Morality is relative as many people have said. Imagine if there was a society isolated from the world where killing is a way of life and is not against the law. So everyone kills and no one thinks any less of others for doing so. Are these people really evil? In their eyes no, but for others maybe. It all depends.

[canadafightteam]

Originally Posted by omgitsrick

Morality is relative as many people have said. Imagine if there was a society isolated from the world where killing is a way of life and is not against the law. So everyone kills and no one thinks any less of others for doing so. Are these people really evil? In their eyes no, but for others maybe. It all depends.

Honor Killings?