[godking]

Originally Posted by Jay Pan ROKK

We can not say it does not exist, the definition of wrong change thru time but for sure it exists now and 100 years ago.

Yes but what we conmsider wrong has changed even today different cultures have different opinions about what is and what is not wrong.

[Pillbox Joe]

Originally Posted by godking

Yes but what we conmsider wrong has changed even today different cultures have different opinions about what is and what is not wrong.

Finally, someone who can actually understand the logic in my argument. Someone who sees the light and the truth in moral subjectivity.

[PornoSatan]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

Finally, someone who can actually understand the logic in my argument. Someone who sees the light and the truth in moral subjectivity.

For what it's worth, most of what you're saying I already said on pages 5,6

[logos]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

Finally, someone who can actually understand the logic in my argument. Someone who sees the light and the truth in moral subjectivity.

Moral subjectivity = Relativism/ Utilitarianism. Which is precisely why we seem to to be losing sight of even the most fundamental moral principles.

[Jerome_1]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

What the hell are you talking about? If the majority doesn't determine correct and normal acceptable behavior, or "morally correct" behavior, then who does? Morality changes based on external conditions, nothing inherent to it. If the majority is committing improper behavior and recognize this, they change their standard of what is morally acceptable. How freakin hard is that to understand?

Simple you are equating that if someone behaves a certain way they think it is morally acceptable, that is wrong. There have been serial killers and serial rapists who knew what they were doing was wrong.

I am saying that people may behave a certain way, molestation, rape, incest, murder, theif, and know what they are doing is wrong. That is what the criminal justice system is based on. You don't have an argument, just because Roman Emperors were known to have bisexual relationships does not mean that they thought it was right.

Take the recent case of the Austrian man who imprisioned and repeatedly raped his own daughter, he admitted that he knew it was wrong.

[mkess101]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

Finally, someone who can actually understand the logic in my argument. Someone who sees the light and the truth in moral subjectivity.

Moral relativism is BS. I don't care if 10,000 years from now every human being on the planet thinks it's okay to rape a 6 month old child, it will still be wrong. Period. End of story. There ARE moral absolutes. People argue where the lines are drawn, but someone is right and someone is wrong. Some people may think these fundamental moral "bare minimums" come from God, some people may think they come from an innate sense of morality that is simply inherent in humans for an unknown reason. The people who think they do not exist are lying to themselves or are simply insane.

[Jay Pan ROKK]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

Okay, then check this out.

Powell's Books - The Sambia: Ritual, Sexuality, and Change in Papua New Guinea (Case Studies in Cultural Anthropology) by Gilbert Herdt

In fact, the only animal that is proven to have sex purely for pleasure are humans (though some studies speculate that dolphins are the only other animal that share this trait).

Bonobos may do it for fun also.

[Jay Pan ROKK]

Originally Posted by godking

Yes but what we conmsider wrong has changed even today different cultures have different opinions about what is and what is not wrong.

Yes, i agree, but, wrong still exist now and then.

Just like you, me and everybody else, we change thru time, still we exist.

You are different from 2 years ago however no one can say you dont exist.

[Pillbox Joe]

Originally Posted by mkess101

Moral relativism is BS. I don't care if 10,000 years from now every human being on the planet thinks it's okay to rape a 6 month old child, it will still be wrong. Period. End of story. There ARE moral absolutes. People argue where the lines are drawn, but someone is right and someone is wrong. Some people may think these fundamental moral "bare minimums" come from God, some people may think they come from an innate sense of morality that is simply inherent in humans for an unknown reason. The people who think they do not exist are lying to themselves or are simply insane.

The same was said of those who thought the world was round at one time.. don't be so short sighted. Mortality is relative.

BTW it doesn't have to happen 10,000 years from now, 7 year olds are subjected to ritualistic insemination through oral means by men in the Sambia tribe of Papua New Guinea in modern times.

And guess what, their entire society accepts this because they are raised from birth with this tradition and sexual drive is a learned behavior, further proof that morality is relative.

[Jay Pan ROKK]

People are different from others, this does not mean people dont exist.

They do exist although not exactly the same.

Just like evil.