[Pillbox Joe]

Originally Posted by logos

Of course a thief might disagree, but universally speaking it is frowned upon.

contradiction

[smasheroffaces]

i met evil in a bar once i could barley understand him cuz he was drunk and on all kinds of pain killers.

[enginekid]

Originally Posted by logos

The question as to why somoene stold something has nothing to do with the question we are discussing. We are trying to ascertain whether stealing is immoral or not... and the answer is yes. Of course a thief might disagree, but universally speaking it is frowned upon. Thus there are universal principles that exist, and will always exist.

logos: that guy you are engaging will just argue for the sake of arguing.

he IS evil.

just follow his posts. he applauds anything thats evil, and tries to confuse any issues about good. if you say stealing is bad he will argue with you ... equals Evil person.

/discussion

[Pillbox Joe]

Originally Posted by enginekid

logos: that guy you are engaging will just argue for the sake of arguing.

he IS evil.

just follow his posts. he applauds anything thats evil, and tries to confuse any issues about good. if you say stealing is bad he will argue with you ... equals Evil person.

/discussion

Just because you are a racist and a moron in your own thread doesn't mean you have to wank your way into this thread and stink it up as well.

[mkess101]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

The whole fact that we would argue over morality proves its own subjective nature. Stealing would be wrong, but if a starving man steals food, is he comitting an amoral act? Well, yes because he is stealing which would be a good baseline for moral standard, but at the same time, he will die if he doesn't, which is another baseline standard for where stealing could be set. It's for certain that there are no true moral baselines.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. You're points are coherent and logical, but I cannot accept that rational, adult human beings don't have a moral baseline inherent in our genetic makeup, or given by god, or whatever. Perhaps it is just me being too much of a pollyanna, but it's something I've given much thought to, and just cannot find another explanation that works for me.

[logos]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

contradiction

In what society that you know of is stealing not considered an illicit act?

[enginekid]

Originally Posted by mkess101

We'll just have to agree to disagree. You're points are coherent and logical, but I cannot accept that rational, adult human beings don't have a moral baseline inherent in our genetic makeup, or given by god, or whatever. Perhaps it is just me being too much of a pollyanna, but it's something I've given much thought to, and just cannot find another explanation that works for me.

mkess101: don't engage with that guy. his intentions are pure evil.

you cannot and will not gain anything fruitful from him.

[Pillbox Joe]

Originally Posted by logos

In what society that you know of is stealing not considered an illicit act?

Who is to say who is stealing from who in the first place? Should taxes be considered theft? There are those who believe it is theft, and those who believe so frown upon the government. What of societies that have no conscious belief in personal property. How does one account for that when they believe that personal property and theft are inherent in the human conscious?

[Pillbox Joe]

Originally Posted by enginekid

mkess101: don't engage with that guy. his intentions are pure evil.

you cannot and will not gain anything fruitful from him.

Are you so desperate for attention that you will just follow me into other threads?

[smasheroffaces]

yes satan exists and his demons also. they are angels in fact and they are in a battle right now for everyones souls