Der Terminator wants your fingerprint B4 buying ammunition - Page 3

thetequilaman · 10-12-2009, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Calamity

Yes and the finger print measure takes the extra step from where it was sold to who it was sold to.

You're still free to have a gun, this is just an extra step in making sure those responsible for illegally using the guns have a better chance of being caught.

And please on the "made to feel like a criminal" part. If you don't plan on partaking in any criminal activities, why would it make you feel like a criminal? If anything it should make you feel safer from criminals. Finger prints and a means of identification, not an attempt at degrading a person into feeling like a criminal.

Sniff*sniff... this one time, when I went in for my driver's license exam... I... I had my picture taken... and they... *SNIFF... they took my information, and even address... and you you know what they said... *SNIFF... they said they were going to keep that information on file! ... Oh the humanity... I felt like an animal...

I FELT SO VIOLATED....

This is because I'm a paranoid pussy who thinks that the big, bad government is out to get me!

IDIOTS! If this prevents 1% of all gun crimes from happening, by making bullets harder to get, then so be it... it is a good idea.

fatandnasty · 10-12-2009, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSN

a great example of this is when the nazi's used french government records of homosexuals, jews, etc. to persecute them after they took power. bottom line is, if the information isn't important, don't keep records. that's intrusive government.

Bingo.
Just go back to the 30's when the gov took everyones gold.

Dolomite · 10-12-2009, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetequilaman

Jesus Christ... IT IS ABOUT TRACING CRIMES BACK TO CRIMINALS.

You all agree that driver's licenses, driver's plates, VINs and the like are good ideas. Well, why not for deadly weapons??

REGULATE GUNS STRICTLY. It will only lead to less gun crimes. If bullets are harder to come by, there will be less bullet related crimes. Some of you people have the foresight of a 3 year old...

And you're naive.

Now I'm using sign language:
Crim i nals do not fol low reason able gun laws.

You don't need a license (or a federal background check) to buy a car (or 12 cars).

fatandnasty · 10-12-2009, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetequilaman

Sniff*sniff... this one time, when I went in for my driver's license exam... I... I had my picture taken... and they... *SNIFF... they took my information, and even address... and you you know what they said... *SNIFF... they said they were going to keep that information on file! ... Oh the humanity... I felt like an animal...

I FELT SO VIOLATED....

This is because I'm a paranoid pussy who thinks that the big, bad government is out to get me!

IDIOTS! If this prevents 1% of all gun crimes from happening, by making bullets harder to get, then so be it... it is a good idea.

You just don't get it. How can you compare taking someones guns and ammo away to a fucking peice of plastic with your mug on it. Don't you understand that our government has been fucking people over for years. Look up what happened to the Indians and African Americans.

thetequilaman · 10-12-2009, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dolomite

And you're naive.

Now I'm using sign language:
Crim i nals do not fol low reason able gun laws.

You don't need a license (or a federal background check) to buy a car (or 12 cars).

Oh yes, you're right.... legally obtained guns, and legally obtained bullets (obtained through our ridiculously loose gun laws) are never used in crimes... it is a totally useless idea because criminals only obtain guns and bullets on the black market... *DRIPPING WITH SARCASM*

You need a driver's license, proof of insurance and ability to pay (via the hyper-regulated banking industry) to purchase a car... It is MUCH harder to purchase a car than a gun, and that is fucking retarded. Yes, it is.

Holy Calamity · 10-12-2009, 04:01 PM

Keeping records of instruments designed to end life(yes end life, not protect life, the gun wasn't invented as a replacement for the shield) is intrusive government? I believe that's the government looking out for it's citizens.

Prints can be obtained through used casings, if they can end up solving 20 murders while inconveniencing 400000 backwards ass hillbilly's preparing for the inevitable war that amazingly will happen in the middle of the country, it's more than worth it.

And comparing nazi's to trying to track the flow of guns? I'd start playing basketball because that's a hell of a reach.

str8loco1 · 10-12-2009, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetequilaman

Oh yes, you're right.... legally obtained guns, and legally obtained bullets (obtained through our ridiculously loose gun laws) are never used in crimes... it is a totally useless idea because criminals only obtain guns and bullets on the black market... *DRIPPING WITH SARCASM*

You need a driver's license, proof of insurance and ability to pay (via the hyper-regulated banking industry) to purchase a car... It is MUCH harder to purchase a car than a gun, and that is fucking retarded. Yes, it is.

Much harder...? I need a valid state ID (Driver's License), the ability to pay and I need to pass a criminal background check before purchasing the gun from a licensed dealer.

Where's the "Much harder" part that you were talking about?

PalatialGabe · 10-12-2009, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Calamity

First off, will this not go a long way in the field of forensics?

Secondly, why would anyone who's into "legal gun rights" be opposed to a measure that's simply an attempt to bring more legality to gun ownership? If I'm trying to legally buy and possess a lethal weapon, I'd like there to be as many steps as possible put in place to prevent people trying to buy and use them illegally.

Dude it's a total God-given right. The Constitution states the right to bear arms will not be infringed. The rules they're placing on gun control is unconstitutional, and therefore illegal.

The majority of gun crime comes from illegally purchased and used weapons. Plus I believe if everyone was on the same level (everyone had a gun), it'd take the shock factor away from guns. Guns are tools. It's not the keyboard's fault if you can't spell...it's the operator of a gun who makes choices.

The second amendment isn't in place so Billy Bob can go hunt squirrels. It's for protection, and if guns are used defensively, it's a beautiful thing. It's straight up oppressive to treat you like a criminal so you can buy ammo (your constitutional right)

thetequilaman · 10-12-2009, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatandnasty

You just don't get it. How can you compare taking someones guns and ammo away to a fucking peice of plastic with your mug on it. Don't you understand that our government has been fucking people over for years. Look up what happened to the Indians and African Americans.

Yes, what happened to the natives and the slaves was a horrible atrocity. I don't see the connection between this bill, and the genocides of 300 years ago...

Where in that article does it say "they are planning to take your guns and ammo away"?

I'm sorry, it doesn't say it, does it? So, you admit that that part is only in your paranoid mind? Ok then , moving on...

Existentialist · 10-12-2009, 04:06 PM

To be honest, I'm surprised California isn't far worse. It's essentially a state that's half hippies, half third worlders. You have the most pro-gun control people on Earth living a mile away from the poster children *for* gun control.

I always want to leave this state when the opportunity arises but the opportunity never arises. I just hope it fails hard one of these days in dramatic fashion so that other states don't see us as an example. It's barely hanging on right now socially, economically, etc. The lives of most of these people have no value in my eyes.