[farrellesque]

Originally Posted by technomance

i dream... err i mean think about this everyday

Why don't you just come out and say it?

Have some fucking balls. You leave little hints of it everywhere, in your posts, in your custom text etc. Just say it, it'll feel like a burden lifting of your shoulders. You obviously really hate white people and it's not healthy to keep it inside.

[Titus001]

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[Piper]

Originally Posted by 1000 yrd. stare

Bro, there is no argument that the Muslim influence on Spain and southern France didn't have a huge impact on the rest of Europe. Every single book I've ever read on the subject says so. But then again, I guess you know more about what Eleanor of Aquitaine was influenced by more than she did.

No, I'm not a Muslim or a PC apologist, you've just let your opinions interfere with the facts.

You are just a victim of the self-haters and Muslim exaggerators who try to diminish the facts of the acheivements of Western Civilization and pump up the incidental things that others presented - in the name of "diversity".

The Muslim impact on France and Spain was "huge" but not positive. The impact of the invasion of the Huns, Vandals, Goths, etc., was huge, too. Whole cities massacred, hundreds of thousands enslaved, brutality inflicted by a parasitical conqueror, extortion, tribute, religious oppression, etc.. Those are all huge influences.

What was also HUGE was the will and fight by the Europeans REJECTING Islam and Muslim rule and their fight to throw them out, which they succeeded in doing. And all that while building the greatest Civilization in the world and transplanting it all over the world.

The fact that you can find a place name with a arabic root, or similar vestige of the previous invaders are in fact VESTIGES, NOT INFLUENCES. Know the difference and appreciate the facts - particularly now that the Clash of Civilzations is again getting hot.

[Piper]

Originally Posted by cenovio

I don't disagree with the article, but I am amused that you got it off of "Dhimmi watch". A website run by neoconservatives. And actually that essay was written by two people, A staunch neoconservative who is also a Fox news commentator, and a Jew,LOL.
Like I said, I don't have the stance that Islam is innocent or has done no wrong. I simply pointed out it's contributions to Europe.

You haven't pointed out "contributions" you've only stated that there are. What are the contributions and what is the significance of them?

There might have been vestiges or remnants of the Muslim invasion and occupation of Spain, but what are the "contributions", those intrinsic elements that were adopted by Spain and Western Civilization that contributed to its civilization like the legs of a table contribute to its structure? What structural components of Western European Civilization can you identify as intrinsically Islamic?

Come on list them.

[adren@line]

There are plenty of highly-skilled and highly-educated immigrants who come from India, China, Japan, Iran, etc who can run the country.

The US isnt simply mexican, white, and black.

[SlowlyWeRot]

Stupid, rich white people are selling us out. They always have fucked over the average white person as much as they could for all of history. It was only 200 years ago when the vast majority of Europeans lived in hunger and poverty, and a few rich assholes controlled everyone. Not much difference now, except it's the government that we elect fucking us over. Especially in Europe. Virtually no non-white country in the world would ever allow so many immigrants to form in their country. And for good reason, as it creates conflict and ends up shrinking the indigenous population of that country.

But the fact is, a good number of average white people are pretty stupid themselves and allow themselves to be bred out. No one even gives a shit about the MASSIVE immigration problem in the US, and the few that do are labelled racists and pretty much ignored. What kind of country doesn't even have a fence along a massive border, allowing hordes of illegal immigrants to cross over freely, plus lots of drugs, weapons, etc? Completely idiotic.

Needless to say, white people a hundred years ago (and all throughout the rest of history) wouldn't have stood for such bullshit. Modern society has tons of flaws that no one bothers changing, even though the fake politicians claim they change things. Mass immigration, unchallenged by the people of the nation, ended up being a major reason for the disintegration of Rome, and most likely the exact same thing will happen in the US.

The majority of white people in North America belong to a shallow, uncaring, superficial culture that makes lives essentially meaningless and devoid of importance. That site "Stuff White People Like" really is true when it comes to the average liberal white person in North America. They don't care about anything other than themselves, follow trends en cue, have very little knowledge of true politics, and completely ignore problems in their country due to their currently sheltered lives. They are not the same kind of white people that sent millions of men to fight the evil of Hitler in Europe, nor are they the same kind of white people who were responsible for importance events like the Renaissance, the empires of Rome and Greece, etc. They are weaker, dumber, and have no cultural goals other than to be part of trends and make money. I am ashamed that white people are so careless and moronic these days.

[Dizzle]

Originally Posted by Piper

You are just a victim of the self-haters and Muslim exaggerators who try to diminish the facts of the acheivements of Western Civilization and pump up the incidental things that others presented - in the name of "diversity".

The Muslim impact on France and Spain was "huge" but not positive. The impact of the invasion of the Huns, Vandals, Goths, etc., was huge, too. Whole cities massacred, hundreds of thousands enslaved, brutality inflicted by a parasitical conqueror, extortion, tribute, religious oppression, etc.. Those are all huge influences.

What was also HUGE was the will and fight by the Europeans REJECTING Islam and Muslim rule and their fight to throw them out, which they succeeded in doing. And all that while building the greatest Civilization in the world and transplanting it all over the world.

The fact that you can find a place name with a arabic root, or similar vestige of the previous invaders are in fact VESTIGES, NOT INFLUENCES. Know the difference and appreciate the facts - particularly now that the Clash of Civilzations is again getting hot.

wow great post.

[Dizzle]

Originally Posted by SlowlyWeRot

Stupid, rich white people are selling us out. They always have fucked over the average white person as much as they could for all of history. It was only 200 years ago when the vast majority of Europeans lived in hunger and poverty, and a few rich assholes controlled everyone. Not much difference now, except it's the government that we elect fucking us over. Especially in Europe. Virtually no non-white country in the world would ever allow so many immigrants to form in their country. And for good reason, as it creates conflict and ends up shrinking the indigenous population of that country.

But the fact is, a good number of average white people are pretty stupid themselves and allow themselves to be bred out. No one even gives a shit about the MASSIVE immigration problem in the US, and the few that do are labelled racists and pretty much ignored. What kind of country doesn't even have a fence along a massive border, allowing hordes of illegal immigrants to cross over freely, plus lots of drugs, weapons, etc? Completely idiotic.

Needless to say, white people a hundred years ago (and all throughout the rest of history) wouldn't have stood for such bullshit. Modern society has tons of flaws that no one bothers changing, even though the fake politicians claim they change things. Mass immigration, unchallenged by the people of the nation, ended up being a major reason for the disintegration of Rome, and most likely the exact same thing will happen in the US.

The majority of white people in North America belong to a shallow, uncaring, superficial culture that makes lives essentially meaningless and devoid of importance. That site "Stuff White People Like" really is true when it comes to the average liberal white person in North America. They don't care about anything other than themselves, follow trends en cue, have very little knowledge of true politics, and completely ignore problems in their country due to their currently sheltered lives. They are not the same kind of white people that sent millions of men to fight the evil of Hitler in Europe, nor are they the same kind of white people who were responsible for importance events like the Renaissance, the empires of Rome and Greece, etc. They are weaker, dumber, and have no cultural goals other than to be part of trends and make money. I am ashamed that white people are so careless and moronic these days.

America had the 19th!!! largest military in the worldin 1939, was in a depression before WW2 and we defeated the world power japan+nazi germany+Italy in 4 years. In todays world we cant even secure the border in 8.

[DC01]

hahaha, white people in charge don't give a fuck about black, white, spanish, ect. people that are working everyday. all they care about is green, doesn't matter if you're black, white, arab, etc. as long as you have money, that's who they look out for. until people all over the world get their head out their ass and take back their countries from the ruling elite, you will stay getting fucked over by corrupt corporations and politicians. whether you're white in america, black in nigeria, scandinavian in russia, or brown in columbia.

what simply needs to be done is stop the corrupt control of washington, because politicians serve their contributors before they'll serve the people. some of those contributors include the media, which if you don't abide by them, they'll easily paint you into a bad image by the public. see ron paul, making it so a politican has no chance to get elected.

corporate control of washington or the federal reserve bank will never be major political issues which is why it's up to the people. you have to get political campaigns funded publicly, and make it illegal to make private donations. a better ethics committee to investigate corruption. that's the only way.

until then, keep complaining about what your politicians will or won't do because they don't give a fuck about you.

the countries where the people did try to take back their country, you'll probably look down on them. fidel castro, che guevara, hugo chavez, robert mugabe, ect.

[Dizzle]

Originally Posted by DC01

hahaha, white people in charge don't give a fuck about black, white, spanish, ect. people that are working everyday. all they care about is green, doesn't matter if you're black, white, arab, etc. as long as you have money, that's who they look out for. until people all over the world get their head out their ass and take back their countries from the ruling elite, you will stay getting fucked over by corrupt corporations and politicians. whether you're white in america, black in nigeria, scandinavian in russia, or brown in columbia.

what simply needs to be done is stop the corrupt control of washington, because politicians serve their contributors before they'll serve the people. some of those contributors include the media, which if you don't abide by them, they'll easily paint you into a bad image by the public. see ron paul, making it so a politican has no chance to get elected.

corporate control of washington or the federal reserve bank will never be major political issues which is why it's up to the people. you have to get political campaigns funded publicly, and make it illegal to make private donations. a better ethics committee to investigate corruption. that's the only way.

until then, keep complaining about what your politicians will or won't do because they don't give a fuck about you.

the countries where the people did try to take back their country, you'll probably look down on them. fidel castro, che guevara, hugo chavez, robert mugabe, ect.

The mainstream liberal media will never give ron paul a fair chance because people will be too scared to vote for a "radical" unless the media will endorse that candate(Obama)

No one other than elites will have the funds to run for office if you ban private donations.

" fidel castro, che guevara, hugo chavez, robert mugabe" these leaders are murderous tryants and don't belong in the same catagory as ron paul/buchanan