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Old 04-15-2007, 05:36 AM   #1 (permalink)

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Conservatism's third failure . . . the great Liberal hope

THREE TIMES in my political adulthood, we have seen the exhaustion of a conservative ideology and presidency. Under Presidents Nixon and Bush II, the ingredients were corruption, corporate excess, and overreach of presidential power. During the 12 years of Reagan and Bush I, the hallmark was the failure of conservative economics.

And twice, the electorate ousted Republicans only to get centrist Democrats, who ran more competent administrations but did little to redress the structure of financial inequality in America.

Now, the third era of conservative Republican rule is collapsing -- with the most spectacular mélange of overreach, incompetence, economic distress, and sheer corruption of all. But who, and what, will succeed Bush? The forces of privilege and inequality are now so deeply entrenched in America that it will take a Democratic successor at least as bold as FDR or LBJ to change course.

When Nixon went down in 1974, Watergate was most remembered for its assaults on the Constitution, but it also involved corrupt favors for business allies, lubricated by satchels of $100 bills. Despite an abortive effort to rein in the influence of concentrated wealth in politics, the Supreme Court soon opened loopholes that allowed big money to dominate politics once again.

Nixon was succeeded by Jimmy Carter, the most conservative Democrat since Grover Cleveland. He was personally frugal, but his policies of deregulation helped widen inequality and insecurity in America. During the Carter era, business's counterattack on unions was already in high gear. Though he had a large working majority in Congress, Carter did not lift a finger to enact labor law reform, which failed by two votes in the Senate for lack of presidential interest. As a progressive who cared about inequality, Carter was far more admirable as ex-president than as president.

Clinton, who succeeded another exhausted 12-year run of conservatism, deserves credit for such programs as the earned income tax credit and an increased minimum wage, which raised earnings at the bottom. But Clinton only accelerated financial deregulation and promoted trade policies like NAFTA, which helped the very top pull away. Clinton also entrenched the notion of budget balance as economic virtue.

This week, I heard Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz, former chair of Clinton's Council of Economic Advisers, demolish the idea that budget balance was the source of the 1990s boom. Rather, it was increased productivity and declining interest rates, and a brief financial bubble. Stiglitz argues that America, then and now, needs a more progressive tax code, with new revenues spent not on budget balance but on neglected social needs that pay dividends in higher growth -- quality pre school, research and development, universal health care.

But Stiglitz is not running for president. Of those who are, it remains to be seen which, if any, would tackle the deeper sources of inequality and insecurity.

To change course, America would need to change the terms of global trade and to re-regulate Wall Street, so that deals would no longer be done mainly to enrich financial insiders and squeeze ordinary workers. We would restore taxation based on ability to pay and use the proceeds to create a more secure America of broad opportunity. Labor law would be reformed so that the more than 50 percent of American workers who'd like to join unions could do so without fear of being fired.

Of the first-tier candidates, Hillary Clinton is most like her husband. She would appoint competent people, and run a reliable foreign policy. But she is closely associated with advisers who think budget balance is a higher priority than social spending, and she's raising distressingly large sums from Wall Street.

No liberal can fail to be stirred by Barack Obama. Given the immense damage done by Bush and company, nobody would be better able to redeem the promise of America, both at home and globally. But though he is not yet the front-runner, Obama already has a touch of front-runner disease -- being distressingly vague about what he'd actually do. He is trying to be both a progressive and someone beyond conventional categories. Alas, there's no such thing.

Of the three, John Edwards would seem the most likely to govern as a true economic progressive. But his wife's medical troubles will likely make it very hard for him to devote full attention to a campaign over the next 18 months.

How many times does conservatism have to fail before we get a successor who reclaims American liberalism?

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...third_failure/
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Old 04-15-2007, 05:39 AM   #2 (permalink)

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This entire article runs on a failed premise.
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Old 04-15-2007, 06:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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oh yeah, we need more unions and more "wall street regulation." i think im going to vomit.

oh no, the rich might "pull away" from the poor! that would be immoral! we must bring them down, harrison bergeron style. we must stop people from earning money with their ideas, work ethic, and calculated risk. we need more unions, welfare, pork social spending, and protectionism, especially the kinds of programs that illegal aliens can take full advantage of. viva america!

what "promise of america" will that restore? inability to compete in a global economy? no promise id want to keep. those policies have never succeeded in any country to date. the funny thing is, every anti-globalist protectionist pro-labor liberal wants the border open, even though an open border is the single biggest threat to the american laborer.

no one will be reclaiming american libralism any time soon because JFK has been replaced by wusses who apologize for brutal regimes, hate speech laws, and special interest pork puppets like the new congress.

i dont think ive ever seen someone so proudly and unabashedly say that balancing the budget is somehow a less worthy pursuit than burning tax payer money on stupid spending projects. jesus christ, i think this guy wants the new deal back.
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Old 04-15-2007, 07:58 AM   #4 (permalink)

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oh yeah, we need more unions and more "wall street regulation." i think im going to vomit.

oh no, the rich might "pull away" from the poor! that would be immoral! we must bring them down, harrison bergeron style. we must stop people from earning money with their ideas, work ethic, and calculated risk. we need more unions, welfare, pork social spending, and protectionism, especially the kinds of programs that illegal aliens can take full advantage of. viva america!

what "promise of america" will that restore? inability to compete in a global economy? no promise id want to keep. those policies have never succeeded in any country to date. the funny thing is, every anti-globalist protectionist pro-labor liberal wants the border open, even though an open border is the single biggest threat to the american laborer.

no one will be reclaiming american libralism any time soon because JFK has been replaced by wusses who apologize for brutal regimes, hate speech laws, and special interest pork puppets like the new congress.

i dont think ive ever seen someone so proudly and unabashedly say that balancing the budget is somehow a less worthy pursuit than burning tax payer money on stupid spending projects. jesus christ, i think this guy wants the new deal back.
I think some of us just want a cleaner and safer US. Europes social programs have proven that its possible to have a social consious and be prosperous. Their social consious is the main reason its a million times safer for its citizens to move about their cities and enjoy life. Also the conservatives have pulled some pretty shitty deals. Its obvious they only care about no bid contracts, hooking up their pals and basically generating wealth at the expense of the average american. So, fuck you and them.

Its time the country began focusing on the middle class. This means fixing the fucked up healthcare system, which by the way well help the poor and rich. Nobody enjoys the ridiculous expenses associated with healthcare, only the blood suckers who run it.

It dont have to be viva america. Liberals and conservatives alike should close down the goddamn borders.
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Old 04-15-2007, 09:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I think some of us just want a cleaner and safer US. Europes social programs have proven that its possible to have a social consious and be prosperous. Their social consious is the main reason its a million times safer for its citizens to move about their cities and enjoy life. Also the conservatives have pulled some pretty shitty deals. Its obvious they only care about no bid contracts, hooking up their pals and basically generating wealth at the expense of the average american. So, fuck you and them.

Its time the country began focusing on the middle class. This means fixing the fucked up healthcare system, which by the way well help the poor and rich. Nobody enjoys the ridiculous expenses associated with healthcare, only the blood suckers who run it.

It dont have to be viva america. Liberals and conservatives alike should close down the goddamn borders.

thanks for the barrage of useless talking points. you sound like you are running for office, or just aping someone who is.

before the EU, most european countries were relatively stagnant in growth compared to the US, even though the levels of development were similar (unlike china's or india's current growth/development). high tax on investment will do that to you. do you know what investment is?

source that europe is a "million" times safer than the US? proof that, even if europe were a million times safer than the US, safety would stem from social programs? do you know how giuliani beat crime in NYC? it wasnt with feel-good tax and spend bullshit.

as for no-bid contracts: http://www.metroactive.com/feinstein...n-resigns.html
no-bid contracts are not a domain of dirty politics exclusive to any party, just like pork or earmarks.

likewise, i fail to see how specific incidents of no-bids have some sort of far-reaching financial impact on the average american. they dont. but, they are often indicators of corruption, and dont need to be opposed for any other reason other than possible corruption.

"hooking up their pals" is a meaningless slur. name a specific case if you want, otherwise you are just being bogus and emotional.

"generating wealth at the expense" of someone else is another meaningless slur with no logical weight. do you mean to say that wealth is finite, and that when one person gains, another person loses? if so, you may want to take an economics course, because economic growth is not zero-sum.

"its time the country began focusing on the middle class." are you accepting campaign donations?

why is health care fucked up? why is it expensive to get health insurance? if you dont know, why would you even begin to pretend you know what a good solution would be? do you believe that if something is paid for by the government that it is essentially free? do you believe that liberal trial lawyers who sue doctors for $25,000,000 and shut down practices are blood suckers? do you want the same government who "hooks up their pals" to run health care?

you wont see the border being closed, ever. that window has closed. both republicans and democrats are frightened of hispanics, and so now they are both pandering to them.
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Old 04-15-2007, 09:19 AM   #6 (permalink)

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Right off the top... the story calling Jimmy Carter the most conservative democrat since Cleavland is one of many moronic statements... but I do not have all day.

The Boston Globe should know better...

The main point is that the articles premise is stupid. I could have written the same article two years ago about Carter, and the fall of the Democratic Congress in 1992, and Clinton's lost legacy as Liberalism's third failure.

That article would be just as asinine and lack the same context of history and political understanding.

Liberalism and Conservative streaks come and go in U.S. politics. And will continue to do so.
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Old 04-15-2007, 03:34 PM   #7 (permalink)

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If you are familiar with history you will know this is nothing new.
The political pendulum will always continue to swing.
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Old 04-15-2007, 03:47 PM   #8 (permalink)

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How many times does conservatism have to fail before we get a successor who reclaims American liberalism?

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...third_failure/
Couldn’t that same thing be said of American liberalism? After all before “conservatives” took over didn’t liberals run the government? If American liberalism were running along so smoothly why on Earth would the voters possibly have voted for a conservative?

For the record, Richard Nixon instituted wage and prices controls, does this sound like a “conservative” principle to anyone else?

[edit=]How many times does liberalism have to fail before we get a successor who reclaims American conservatism?[/edit]

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Old 04-15-2007, 04:10 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Nixon was one of the most liberal presidents of the last 50 years. Countless programs and regulations were started under his reign. From fuel mileage and other kinds of environmental standards, to affirmative action.
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source that europe is a "million" times safer than the US?

The fact that its citizens do not find it necessary to arm themselves to the teeth?
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