[FoxTrot9R]

Probably so

[BeverlyBK]

The real problem is: Neither party represents the interests of educated and thoughtful Americans. It's not a coincidence that these "young evangelicals" are leaving the GOP. It actually has less to do with their religion and more to do with their social and political awareness.

Being antiwar and having concerns about the economy put you at arms length with the current policies and platforms of both major parties, and all three major candidates. Religion is a small factor in a person's stance on either issue.

[Happy Boy]

Originally Posted by FoxTrot9R

Methinks the Abortion issue, no?

That on its own wouldn't be enough I dont think. I mean, yeah its a big issue and its horrible the way its treated, and Christians are and should be against abortion, but being against abortion and pro-aggressive war mongering is an oxymoron IMO. Plus, the repubs are hardly looking out for the lowest in society with their domestic policies with regard to taxation, health care and so on, they seem to me to use the veil of the party of values whilst carry on a whole host of stuff that flatly goes against that. I dont think anything about them unequivocally should get the Christian vote, they have as much against as for going for them in that regard, as do the democrats. Neither is a party for Christians IMO.

[brackis1]

Originally Posted by Happy Boy

That on its own wouldn't be enough I dont think. I mean, yeah its a big issue and its horrible the way its treated, and Christians are and should be against abortion, but being against abortion and pro-aggressive war mongering is an oxymoron IMO. Plus, the repubs are hardly looking out for the lowest in society with their domestic policies with regard to taxation, health care and so on, they seem to me to use the veil of the party of values whilst carry on a whole host of stuff that flatly goes against that. I dont think anything about them unequivocally should get the Christian vote, they have as much against as for going for them in that regard, as do the democrats. Neither is a party for Christians IMO.

Christians should be against abortion after human life begins. Christians can and will differ on when this happens.

[Happy Boy]

Originally Posted by brackis1

Christians should be against abortion after human life begins. Christians can and will differ on when this happens.

Jesus says it begins in the womb, thats where He says He began to know each of us and prayed for us while we were there, if He says life begins in the womb then I don't see how Christians can see it any other way.

[brackis1]

Originally Posted by Happy Boy

Jesus says it begins in the womb, thats where He says He began to know each of us and prayed for us while we were there, if He says life begins in the womb then I don't see how Christians can see it any other way.

I make gingerbread men in the oven. Are they gingerbread men immediately when they enter the oven or after 20 minutes of cooking, 40 minutes of cooking?

[Happy Boy]

Originally Posted by brackis1

I make gingerbread men in the oven. Are they gingerbread men immediately when they enter the oven or after 20 minutes of cooking, 40 minutes of cooking?

Are you using this analogy with regard to whether or not Christians should endorse abortion, or just in general?

If its Christians well you are treading a dangerous path as second guessing what the Lord says isn't the wisest thing to do. Jesus says we are when we are in the womb, so in that regard abortion is definitely wrong.

If its in general speak, I have less to say really. Your analogy is hard to gauge as it kinda get into semantics. Id be inclined to say they are gingerbread as soon as they enter the oven.

[chardog]

Originally Posted by Happy Boy

That on its own wouldn't be enough I dont think. I mean, yeah its a big issue and its horrible the way its treated, and Christians are and should be against abortion, but being against abortion and pro-aggressive war mongering is an oxymoron IMO. Plus, the repubs are hardly looking out for the lowest in society with their domestic policies with regard to taxation, health care and so on, they seem to me to use the veil of the party of values whilst carry on a whole host of stuff that flatly goes against that. I dont think anything about them unequivocally should get the Christian vote, they have as much against as for going for them in that regard, as do the democrats. Neither is a party for Christians IMO.

maybe because the democrats are anti christian? lol at you beleiving tthe dems care for the poor. they care for the votes... if they cared, they can easily be for the school voucher systems, privatizing ssn for blacks with shorter life spans, push for trade education, or force uniforms for school students, but instead, they will argue on those issues.

they also tell you that your evil for spanking your kids.

[Bill Baker]

Originally Posted by Happy Boy

Are you using this analogy with regard to whether or not Christians should endorse abortion, or just in general?

If its Christians well you are treading a dangerous path as second guessing what the Lord says isn't the wisest thing to do. Jesus says we are when we are in the womb, so in that regard abortion is definitely wrong.

If its in general speak, I have less to say really. Your analogy is hard to gauge as it kinda get into semantics. Id be inclined to say they are gingerbread as soon as they enter the oven.

ding ding ding

also the part bout god slayin the guy who let his seed fall on the ground supports ur point.

abortion ftL.

[Happy Boy]

Originally Posted by chardog

maybe because the democrats are anti christian? lol at you beleiving tthe dems care for the poor. they care for the votes... if they cared, they can easily be for the school voucher systems, privatizing ssn for blacks with shorter life spans, push for trade education, or force uniforms for school students, but instead, they will argue on those issues.

they also tell you that your evil for spanking your kids.

I dont believe they care for the poor, but I believe they care more than the republicans do.

All politicians care for the votes, it attracts a certain type of person who rarely cares for anyone other for themselves and their reputation or status, schmoozers who sell an idea, and because of that I have yet to see a single politician who caters for the non-agenda seeking Christian vote.