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Old 07-12-2007, 05:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Firefighters Rip Giuliani, Call Him 'Urban Legend'

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Thursday, July 12, 2007

(CBS) NEW YORK The International Association of Firefighters has gone on the offensive against "America's Mayor" Rudy Giuliani, releasing a 13-minute video that viciously rips into the former New York mayor, who has been using his leadership demonstrated on September 11th to urge people around the country to support him in his quest to become President of the United States.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I

The video, released early Wednesday evening, is titled "Rudy Giuliani: Urban Legend," and offers testimonials from various members of the organization and family members of firefighters lost in the terror attacks.

“We have the remains of dead heroes at the garbage dump because of Giuliani and his administration and they’re still there today and they won’t remove them,” claims FDNY Deputy Chief Jim Riches on the DVD, which was released to CBS 2 HD before its public debut.

Giuliani's campaign denounced the video, saying that the former mayor had a long history of supporting firefighters' health and safety and that the international union releasing the video only supports Democratic presidential candidates.

“Whenever I hear him talk, I want to scream out to the world and say God he’s so full of it,” adds Rosaleen Tallon, who lost her brother in the attacks.

Tallon is one of several people who lost loved ones and speaks out against Giuliani.

“I’m a conservative. I’m a member of the NRA, I voted for Giuliani, but in this instance he messed up,” says Al Regenhard, whose son was killed.

Those quotes are just the beginning of the video in which firefighters attempt to set the record straight about how they view Giuliani and his leadership on that tragic day.

“This image of Rudy Giuliani as 'America's Mayor' is a myth,” says President of Uniformed Firefighters Union, Steve Cassidy in the DVD.

The video raises many questions about the former mayor, including why firefighters used obsolete radios on September 11th that may have added to the death toll, why the search for human remains was suddenly stopped after a lost shipment of bank gold was recovered and why the emergency management bunker was on the edge of ground zero.

The firefighters say they want America to hear and see their take on the former mayor

“When America knows the decisions he made pre 9-11 and then on 9-11, I don’t think they'll ever support him for president,” Cassidy adds.

Calling the video a "mockumentary," Giuliani campaign spokesman Michael McKeon said, "The union leadership makes Michael Moore look like Edward R. Murrow."

Former New York firefighter Lee Ielpi, whose son died on Sept. 11, and former Office of Emergency Management Commissioner Richard Sheirer appeared with McKeon, calling the video full of "half-truths."

"I was there. I saw it. I experienced it," said Ielpi, who worked at ground zero for the nine-month cleanup. "I'm not going to let lies like this go."

Despite criticism from the Giuliani camp that he is a partisan Democrat, the general president of the International Association of Fire Fighters, Harold Schaitberger, said that Giuliani is opposed by firefighters on both sides of the aisle.

"Giuliani's biggest problem is that this video is a bipartisan condemnation of his record on 9/11," Schaitberger said.

The 13-minute video was being distributed to the union's 280,000 members, to the media and online.

Still, it's too soon to assess the political fallout from the video -- it will all depend on how many people view it and take it seriously.
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I hate guliani..
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He is an urban legend...and an asshole
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^ +1..... can't wait for this to blow up in his face
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is this the same union that tried to rip guliani a while back? didnt read the article yet.

edit: if it is, I question the timing... they should have ripped on him years ago... unless this is a dedicated smear job.
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^ wouldnt put it past any union well paid for a smear job........ sadly enuff....
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is this the same union that tried to rip guliani a while back? didnt read the article yet.

edit: if it is, I question the timing... they should have ripped on him years ago... unless this is a dedicated smear job.
They've been ripping him since 9/11, but even moreso recently because so many first responders are suffering serious illness (or even dying) as a result of the toxic dust that was in the air which no one was warned of.
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so 2 candidates have been discredited so far mccain and giulianni....it seems the democrats seem to be getting off lightly!!
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They've been ripping him since 9/11, but even moreso recently because so many first responders are suffering serious illness (or even dying) as a result of the toxic dust that was in the air which no one was warned of.
what was toxic in the dust? is guliani being ripped for not enforcing dust masks? sounds like it.
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It is compelling on first glance. The Bank of Nova Scotia vault was recovered on October 31, 2001. The number of firefighters on the pile was reduced to 25 on November 8(though announced 11/2 apparently).

Does the union mention other things that happened around this time? Like:

October 6--city health official Kelly McKinney sounds alarm on health concerns(oddly enough about rats)
October 9--Stuyvesant High re-opens
October 10 on--NY Newsday reports parents complain about respiratory problems, nosebleeds
October 26--National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences "slams" city for not doing enough to enforce basic safety guidelines
October 28--NY Committee on Occupational and Safety Health..."lack of safety equipment"
October 29--CNN reports on "World Trade Center Syndrome" with Dr. Gupta
October 31--NY Times, NY Newsday, NY Daily News all report 4,000 firefighters suffering "persistent" ailments..."World Trade Center cough"
November 1--Newsweek reports on "World Trade Center Syndrome".

Needless to say I don't think the IAFF will get very far with the "it was all about the money" angle. They'll still get millions in their lawsuit against the city no doubt. Good for them. Did they mention the lawsuit? Hopefully the award goes to the firefighters and not the union.

By the way, apparently this is an integral part of nutter folklore now. I tried to find a list of vaults recovered to see if there was any larger context to this story and was overwhelmed with stories reminiscent of Die Hard With a Vengeance. Google really needs a "nutter" filter.
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