[james123]

Originally Posted by Title Fight Productions

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

The consequence of the ruling is that gays will end up imprisoning you in a concentration camp. So be nice to them.

[canadapride]

Originally Posted by BadassHo

you sir are a God-damn idiot. seriously stop trying to think, it doesnt do you much good.


Freud states and science believes that children learn better from a father AND mother. childrens psychology takes gender roles and other learned traits from both the father and mother, and would be incomplete without one or the other.

its been proven that children without fathers(inner city) are more apt to social problems b/c they dont have the "strong" father figure for them. Its talked about as a major problem.

what is one woman going to be the butch in every lesbian marriage or what.

its SCIENCE AND FREUD that say children need a father and a mother, fucking moron.

Originally Posted by canadapride

Um, adopted kids have neither.

Originally Posted by BadassHo

so canadapride.......adopted kids dont have a father or a mother huh?

you fail at logic and basically with a statement like that, you fail at life also. stay in canada and never leave for the benefit of the world. Damn dumbass. adopted kids dont have a father or mother......


then who adopted them..............


you're a genius einstein.

Originally Posted by canadapride

Sorry, I misspoke. I meant foster kids. Sorry you had to blow a fuse over a mistake

Originally Posted by BadassHo

foster children grow up stunted. there's my response dick. they are more apt for crime. i dont know why, maybe b/c they think nobody loves them. who knows.


so read my post about freud and science saying that children need both a father and mother to develop properly.

Originally Posted by ISWThunder

And this has what to do with not allowing gay marriage? Most foster children are adopted by straight parents. Why do they not grow up properly? If all foster children are more susceptible to a life of crime, then how can you possibly say that it is the fault of same sex parents? Is it better to have no parents or two parents of the same sex?

Are only parents rolemodels? What about the other strong male or female influences in a child's life?

I was raised by a single parent and came out fine.

[Chaos Mitten]

Although I have no problem with gay marriage or civil unions, gays having children bothers me for some reason. Of course, I view assisted fertility as another means of overpopulating the earth.

[SmileyPSU]

Originally Posted by Chaos Mitten

Although I have no problem with gay marriage or civil unions, gays having children bothers me for some reason. Of course, I view assisted fertility as another means of overpopulating the earth.

I, too, am on the fence about this.

[Ultrashogun]

Originally Posted by Title Fight Productions

You are just playing around right? Are you sooooooo Intelligent with your extrapolated idea that you missed the very simple common denominator?

Its pretty simple and im sure you get it......if you don't stand up for the persecuted (jew, communist, unionist, gay) when it doesn't effect you, maybe no one will be left to stand up for you when you are persecuted.

Change gay marriage, communists, Unionists and jews and replace them with people who like the color blue, yellow, red and orange....and you still get the same point.

You are comparing sending certain groups to concentration camps with letting gay people marry.

[_mothra_]

noooooo! if we allow gays to get married, they might find out to secret to rectal procreation!

[LavrentiBeria]

This gay marriage stuff is nothing but a distraction from our real problems, the worst of which is flow of illegals pouring across the border. CA's budget crisis is only one of the negative consequences of illegal immigration.

[Max_Power]

Now they are having some random day parade down here in honor of this occasion in long beach, im not surprised if protesters and other religious groups are gonna start some shit

[Kerabatsos]

A better and more relevant case example would be interracial marriage. The majoity of voters said no, but the courts would not allow for this kind of restriction on individuals. Imagine where this bback ass country would be if mixed marriages were banned.

Your resistance to this ruling says more about you than anything else. Are you a closet pole smoker or have dreams about getting pluked in jail for your mental crimes?

It's not relevant in any way. There is a huge difference between people of different races wanting to marry the opposite sex, which FITS into the definition of marriage, than two people of the same sex, which does not. The people voted on marriage remaining between a man and a women, the definition of marriage, after the gay lobby has been trying to change that definition for years.

In reality, this is all about government recognition. That's the precedent, nothing more. It's not about gay rights. A gay person can marry anyone I can marry. They are asking for the rules to be changed to cater to the minority. The difference here, (It's actually laughable you'd even make this argument) is that black males or females were restricted from marrying someone from the opposite sex. There is no comparison there. You're just flat out wrong in making the comparison.

And beyond this, you go into your tired name calling, boxing and pigeonholing because in reality, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Do you debate the the statement that Hagee is McCain's friend and vice versa? Othe than this connection, there is nothing more to it. ANything extra is a product of your own mind. Don't make me tell you this three times.

Yea I debate it. They are friendly for political purposes. You obviously don't know a damn thing about how election politics work. McCain needed his endorsement in a district to get votes. Nothing more.

Hagee is the focus. Lately, he repudiated his past statements against Catholics. You know, the ones along the lines of Catholicism is the great whore etc.... But he didn't say anything about his crack about Katrina being God's punishment for the gay parade scheduled in New Orleans. This way the origin of my original post and joke about Hagee and my expectation that he might make a statement along those lines in regards to California. The obvious choice for a God inspired disaster would be an earthquake.

Hagee is only a focus because the liberal media needs to get Wright's name off the front page, and they need to try level the playing field by trying to morally equate McCain/Hagee to Obama/Wright, which is laughable at best. You're also a liar when you say you're statement was nothing more than reflection on what Hagee is going to say about this, since he said something about Katrina. You said "McCain's friend" which is a lie. You were talking out of your ass basically, trying to box/pigeonhole as usual, anyone you don't agree with. It's standard cowardly tactics of someone who is a blowhard idealogue. You didn't say "The far right", or "The religeos right" you stated McCain's friend Hagee. Tool.

I can't dumb it down any further for you. All of your crap about Obama and Wright and McCain is just that, your crap. The rest of what you say is not worthy of a response at this point, pure banter.

Why don't you just get over it then? Why pollute a thread with stupidity trying to paint and label and push false innuendo and associations? I could give a damn about Hagee, and I don't even really care about McCain. I do care about the truth though, and you were dishonest. It's not my fault you don't handle criticism well. It's not my fault you're too brainwashed to automatically root for one side of the political spectrum to where you make a complete ass out of yourself.

You will never fit me into your categories, don't even bother. Your box is too small. So roll that up and smoke it, sparkey. Let me know when you learn how to slice bread.

This is the irony. You make claims of people's boxes being too small, but from what i've read of your posts, you're a far left liberal who can only see one side of the political spectrum. You don't argue anything. You label and try to box people into corners by innuendo and name calling. It's laughable, stupid and it's just plain pathetic because I bet you think of yourself as some enlightened cutting edge philospher, schooling the hordes of right wing nutjobs in the war room.

[MrPissant]

I don't honestly care. But I am a little upset that this court overturned what the voters unanimously were against.

Then they had some gay legislator on Sacramento News last night saying

"THe U.S. is replete in it's history the court overturning the will of the people when it serves the best interests of a non-discriminatory nature. SOmetimes people hve to be forced to accept things they may not agree with."

I thought that whole statement was bunk, and basically he was making the analogy that in the 60's 88% of voters disapproved of inter-racial marriage and the court stepped in and forced everyone to accept it.

The argument doesent wash with me because it's an apples and oranges argument.

Like i said, I dont care. But what's next? The court FORCING everyone to recycle? Or take a bus? Or stop going to church? Or to give up where they can live or want to live and how to live?

It's a pandora's box I tells ya!