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Originally Posted by Kerabatsos

Then what is the reason?

Do you really think that there is a single reason why prices have increased?

[MicroBrew]

Originally Posted by Kerabatsos

If you want to know why our gas prices are what they are, this is the reason. Extremists like this.

falling dollar and speculators had nothing to do with it? What about Bush policy in the Mid East? Or China and India (though this comes under supply & demand which 1 would argue is alleviated by offshore drilling)

I am not against offshore drilling as long as there isn't significant environmental damage.There is always going to be *some* environmental damage, but as long as its not serious enough to leave major negative effects then I am ok with it.

BTW
Bush's bro Jeb as Gov of Florida was opposed to offshore drilling.

Gem

China is already stealing our oil from off of Cuba. We might as well get down there before they use their long straw to drain our milkshake

That was actually a lie from Cheney which then spread virally. Even if it was true, it ain't our oil if unless its in our territorial waters.

[AdamG]

Going out and searching for something we know is a) bad for the environment and b)going to run out anyway is a short term solution. We need to think more about lessening out dependency on a finite resource and investing the money in new forms of energy.

[Kerabatsos]

so what are we supposed to do now? Sit on our hands for the next ten years to reap the extremely minimal benefits this will have on the oil markets?

This is what was said 10 years ago when Clinton vetoed the bill to drill in Anwar. If we had started back then, we wouldn't be in the position we are in now.

Gas prices are a direct result of Democratic policies. They block, block, block drilling and have done so for years, Even now when we're paying almost 5 dollars a gallon, look at the liberals on these boards. They don't care. They don't care how it affects struggling families, they just expect you to go buy a hybrid. To them, environmental/global warming wacko hysteria trumps everything else.

Honestly, did any of you ever think gas would be this high?

Read Gore's book. Gore even said in his book that gas would need to be 4.50 a gallon before you can convince Americans to stop using it.

falling dollar and speculators had nothing to do with it? What about Bush policy in the Mid East? Or China and India (though this comes under supply & demand which 1 would argue is alleviated by offshore drilling)

None of this matters if we're able to sustain more of our own supply. I guarantee the price would go down if just ATTEMPT to drill, or the threat we're going to drill is there, which we have not done in 20 years. What is the liberal answer? Just read their responses in this thread. It's to CHANGE your lifestyle. They don't have an answer for the price of gas. They want you to change and suffer as long as we don't drill.

Speculation is just that. If we're not buying their oil because we can suppliment our own, the speculation would make the price go down.

[Kerabatsos]

Going out and searching for something we know is a) bad for the environment and b)going to run out anyway is a short term solution. We need to think more about lessening out dependency on a finite resource and investing the money in new forms of energy.

This does absolutely nothing to help real people struggling right now. It won't even have any impact for another 30 years minimum. There is no reason w can't drill and also persue alternative energy sources.

[MODE ROGUE]

Man, I hope this becomes more than mere political posturing. The solution to alleviating foreign oil dependency does NOT lie exclusively in wind/solar/nuclear/hydro/natural gas.

[AdamG]

Originally Posted by Kerabatsos

This is what was said 10 years ago when Clinton vetoed the bill to drill in Anwar. If we had started back then, we wouldn't be in the position we are in now.

Gas prices are a direct result of Democratic policies. They block, block, block drilling and have done so for years, Even now when we're paying almost 5 dollars a gallon, look at the liberals on these boards. They don't care. They don't care how it affects struggling families, they just expect you to go buy a hybrid. To them, environmental/global warming wacko hysteria trumps everything else.

Wasn't this executive ban on off shore drilling started by Bush Sr.?

Seeing as how the price of gas has doubled during the Bush Jr. administration, I'm hard pressed to believe that this is all the Democrats' fault. I don't see how we can sit back and blame politicians specifically when soccer moms are driving around in humvees. We created this situation as a country, and now we have to get together to fix it, the blame game is purely political.

[WUchi]

drill it. we might as well suck her up dry.

i'm just happy to have lived in the 'oil' era of human history. we're gonna have to wait another billion years or so for more to form and i probably won't live that long.

[AdamG]

Originally Posted by Kerabatsos

This does absolutely nothing to help real people struggling right now. It won't even have any impact for another 30 years minimum. There is no reason w can't drill and also persue alternative energy sources.

What? Inflation is what is making people struggle and that is a direct result of the War in Iraq. Gas prices are just a facet of the struggling economy. Investment in drilling could be better spent improving public transportation. The more leeway we give to the oil companies, the more they will pursue selling oil.

[threat_signal]

Originally Posted by Kerabatsos

This is what was said 10 years ago when Clinton vetoed the bill to drill in Anwar. If we had started back then, we wouldn't be in the position we are in now.

Gas prices are a direct result of Democratic policies. They block, block, block drilling and have done so for years, Even now when we're paying almost 5 dollars a gallon, look at the liberals on these boards. They don't care. They don't care how it affects struggling families, they just expect you to go buy a hybrid. To them, environmental/global warming wacko hysteria trumps everything else.

Honestly, did any of you ever think gas would be this high?

Read Gore's book. Gore even said in his book that gas would need to be 4.50 a gallon before you can convince Americans to stop using it.



None of this matters if we're able to sustain more of our own supply. I guarantee the price would go down if just ATTEMPT to drill, or the threat we're going to drill is there, which we have not done in 20 years. What is the liberal answer? Just read their responses in this thread. It's to CHANGE your lifestyle. They don't have an answer for the price of gas. They want you to change and suffer as long as we don't drill.

Speculation is just that. If we're not buying their oil because we can suppliment our own, the speculation would make the price go down.

first of all, it was Bush Sr. who signed the ban on off shore drilling. So let's drop the partisan pretenses, because they're irrelevant

second, as I said before, the effect would be minimal, so even if it were allowed 10 years ago, it wouldn't do much today.

the solution is to find other fuels. You don't keep digging when you hit rock bottom. The solution to oil isn't more oil.