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Old 07-24-2006, 03:24 PM   #1 (permalink)

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(OK, I have a problem with all of these "conservative thinkers" that are now saying "Bush is not a 'true conservative'". 3-4 years ago, these same people were proclaiming the savior of conservatism, and that he is a 'true conservative' and a 'compassionate conservative', and a true "heir to the Reagan legacy." Now that he has failed miserably, and by proxy, so has conservative ideology, we now see these same 'conservative thinkers' like Buckley distancing themselves from the Bush admin, and they are now proclaiming things like "Bush never was a real conservative".

This, in my opinion, is just a post-failure justification for their earlier support of Bush, and now that they see him [and his conservative policies] failing miserably, they try to create distance. Hence, all of this recent talk about Bush not being a 'true conservative'. Well conservatives, we saw your policies in action, and you guys failed. Conservative principles have made this country worse- unwanted wars, more crime, more poverty, more divisions in this country, but heck! We got $300 back on our tax return!

Next stop: "Bush never was a 'real republican'"... despite being a party player for 40 years.

You know some people might call your current wavering support for the Prez? Flip-flopping.... )





Buckley: Bush Not A True Conservative


(CBS) President Bush ran for office as a "compassionate conservative." And he continues to nurture his conservative base — even issuing his first veto this week against embryonic stem cell research.

But lately his foreign policy has come under fire from some conservatives — including the father of modern conservatism, William F. Buckley.

CBS Evening News Saturday anchor Thalia Assuras sat down for an exclusive interview with Buckley about his disagreements with President Bush.

Buckley's Stamford, Conn., home is a tranquil place that allows Buckley to think, write and spend time with his canine companion, Sebastian.

"He's practically always with me," Buckley says.

Buckley finds himself parting ways with President Bush, whom he praises as a decisive leader but admonishes for having strayed from true conservative principles in his foreign policy.

In particular, Buckley views the three-and-a-half-year Iraq War as a failure.

"If you had a European prime minister who experienced what we've experienced it would be expected that he would retire or resign," Buckley says.
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Asked if the Bush administration has been distracted by Iraq, Buckley says "I think it has been engulfed by Iraq, by which I mean no other subject interests anybody other than Iraq... The continued tumult in Iraq has overwhelmed what perspectives one might otherwise have entertained with respect to, well, other parts of the Middle East with respect to Iran in particular."

Despite evidence that Iran is supplying weapons and expertise to Hezbollah in the conflict with Israel, Buckley rejects neo-conservatives who favor a more interventionist foreign policy, including a pre-emptive air strike against Iran and its nuclear facilities.

"If we find there is a warhead there that is poised, the range of it is tested, then we have no alternative. But pending that, we have to ask ourselves, 'What would the Iranian population do?'"

Buckley does support the administration's approach to the North Korea's nuclear weapons threat, believing that working with Russia, China, Japan and South Korea is the best way to get Pyongyang back to the negotiating table. But that's about where the agreement ends.

"Has Mr. Bush found himself in any different circumstances than any of the other presidents you've known in terms of these crises?" Assuras asks.

"I think Mr. Bush faces a singular problem best defined, I think, as the absence of effective conservative ideology — with the result that he ended up being very extravagant in domestic spending, extremely tolerant of excesses by Congress," Buckley says. "And in respect of foreign policy, incapable of bringing together such forces as apparently were necessary to conclude the Iraq challenge."

Asked what President Bush's foreign policy legacy will be to his successor, Buckley says "There will be no legacy for Mr. Bush. I don't believe his successor would re-enunciate the words he used in his second inaugural address because they were too ambitious. So therefore I think his legacy is indecipherable"

At 81, Mr. Buckley still continues to contribute a regular column to the National Review, the magazine he started 51 years ago.
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Old 07-24-2006, 03:29 PM   #3 (permalink)

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DOH! Sorry about that...

I didn't see that in there... my bad. Didn't mean to steal your thunder...
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Buckley's Stamford, Conn., home is a tranquil place that allows Buckley to think, write and spend time with his canine companion, Sebastian.

"He's practically always with me," Buckley says.


I guess Buckley's pet dog sebastian is the only person willing to listen to his political rhetoric.
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Buckley's Stamford, Conn., home is a tranquil place that allows Buckley to think, write and spend time with his canine companion, Sebastian.

"He's practically always with me," Buckley says.


I guess Buckley's pet dog sebastian is the only person willing to listen to his political rhetoric.
His dog, and nearly the entire conservative political movement...
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Old 07-24-2006, 04:33 PM   #6 (permalink)

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What is your goal here?
To point out the hypocrisy of Republicans who, 3-4 years ago, were saying things like Bush is a "true conservative" and he is the "true heir to the Reagan legacy".

They now are, after Bush's failure, saying that he is "not a true conservative" and they are trying to distance themselves from his policies.

I am saying that it is not that he is not a conservative (he most definitely is), it is that conservative policies fail, and that is why Bush failed.

This whole "Bush is not a 'true conservative'" thing is just a post-failure distancing.
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Buckley was just being honest and analyzing Bush's individual strengths and weaknesses of perfomance like they are/were.

He is not endorsing liberal ideology, or switching sides. This so called interview puts seeming statements in his mouth (the assertive parts, given by the interview's "narrator" i.e. : Buckley finds himself parting ways with President Bush, whom he praises as a decisive leader but admonishes for having strayed from true conservative principles in his foreign policy. Notice Buckley never says such things himself )

I could do the same hack job (if I was sleazy enough, and a journalist) making it look like Moore was jumping ship for not supporting Kerry (*he supported Dean) by cutting quotes out of context, filling in the crucial (self-made) blanks
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Actually a lot of "conservatives" from the more traditional and isolationist parts of the party have been saying for years he's not a true conservative.

Quite often in editorials and sometimes in the National Review.
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Actually a lot of "conservatives" from the more traditional and isolationist parts of the party have been saying for years he's not a true conservative.

Quite often in editorials and sometimes in the National Review.

I can agree with Bush not being a "true conservative". But this piece goes too far in its tactical assumptions, making it appear that Buckley does not support Bush anymore, and even favors his opponents' methods/ideologies
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