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Old 10-15-2006, 11:07 PM   #1 (permalink)

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British teacher suspended for refusing to unveil

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LONDON - A British government minister joined an increasingly bitter debate about the rights of Muslim women to veil their faces, saying a teaching assistant should be fired for insisting on wearing one in school.

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Phil Woolas, the government's Race and Faith minister, was quoted by the Sunday Mirror newspaper as demanding that Aishah Azmi, a Muslim teaching assistant, be fired for refusing to remove her veil at work.

"She should be sacked. She has put herself in a position where she can't do her job," Woolas said.

Azmi has refused to remove her black veil, which leaves only her eyes visible, in front of male colleagues. She was suspended from her job, but has taken her case to an industrial tribunal, a court that handles cases on employment law, which will make a decision in the next few weeks.

Azmi, who is 24 and has two children, has insisted that she had been willing to remove her veil in class, as long as there were no adult males present.

"She is denying the right of children to a full education by insisting that she wears the veil. If she is saying that she won't work with men, she is taking away the right of men to work in school," Woolas said.

The debate on the veils began earlier this month, when Jack Straw, the former foreign secretary who now serves as leader of the House of Commons, said Muslim women visiting his office should remove their veils.

The opposition Conservatives also weighed in on the contentious issue, with one of the party's top officials accusing Muslim leaders of encouraging a "voluntary apartheid" that could help spawn homegrown terrorism.

David Davis, a top Conservative Party official, supported Straw for starting the debate.

"What Jack touched on was the fundamental issue of whether in Britain we are developing a divided society," Davis told the Sunday Telegraph newspaper. "Whether we are inadvertently encouraging a kind of voluntary apartheid."

Prime Minister Tony Blair has praised Straw for raising the issue "in a measured and considered way," and urged Britons to engage in such discussions without "becoming hysterical."

Salman Rushdie, whose book "The Satanic Verses" once led to death threats against him by Islamic clerics, said last week that Straw "was expressing an important opinion, which is that veils suck, which they do. I think the veil is a way of taking power away from women."

Nazir Ahmed, the House of Lords' first Muslim legislator, on Sunday joined the fray by criticizing British politicians and the media for "demonizing" the country's Muslim community.

In an interview with British Broadcasting Corp. radio, Ahmed, a moderate lawmaker of the governing Labour Party, said: "Let's be honest, there are people in our community who call themselves Muslims who have been threatening our national security. It is very unfortunate.

"But the problem is that the politicians and some people in the media have used this for demonization of entire communities, which has become a very fashionable thing today."

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Old 10-15-2006, 11:15 PM   #2 (permalink)

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is the veil interfering with her job?
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Old 10-15-2006, 11:17 PM   #3 (permalink)

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She should abide by British culture. If she wants to wear the veil she should go where it doesn't present problems. We have enough ppl trying to change countries by force-feeding their cultures where they're not requested or even wanted. No special treatment.
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Old 10-15-2006, 11:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Well, how is it occluding a full male education?
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Old 10-15-2006, 11:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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She should abide by British culture. If she wants to wear the veil she should go where it doesn't present problems. We have enough ppl trying to change countries by force-feeding their cultures where they're not requested or even wanted. No special treatment.

yeah, i mean, it's not like the British have ever installed change in countries that weren't their own either. ;) a fallacious comment of mine ^^^ but meh..just for kicks


In any case, i think this is an issue settng the limits of diversity and multiculturalism
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Old 10-15-2006, 11:24 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I don't understand how a veil would get in the way of teaching? Does it muffle her voice or some shit???
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If the veil doesnt interfere with her job she should be allowed to wear it. If it does, then she shouldnt be in a career field that demands these things. I don't see quakers getting pissed off because they want to be in combat infantry but don't believe in violence.
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The British are just angry because they're not the British Empire anymore and just a lowly little country that will be soon dwarfed by Emerging Superpowers like India and China.
They got their butts kicked out of China, India, Israel, etc and now the British are resorting to picking on women and children. What a bunch of pansies.
The British don't have the power to push a lot of countries around anymore, so they have to resort to "Internal Colonialism" by pushing minorities around and trying to force minorities to assimilate to WASP culture.
Basically in the UK, you only have freedom of religion if your Christian or Jewish.
If you happen to be Hindu, Buddhist, Moslem, or any other Non-Judeo Christian religion, then the freedom of religion does not apply to you in the UK.
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The British are just angry because they're not the British Empire anymore and just a lowly little country that will be soon dwarfed by Emerging Superpowers like India and China.
They got their butts kicked out of China, India, Israel, etc and now the British are resorting to picking on women and children. What a bunch of pansies.
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The British are just angry because they're not the British Empire anymore and just a lowly little country that will be soon dwarfed by Emerging Superpowers like India and China.
They got their butts kicked out of China, India, Israel, etc and now the British are resorting to picking on women and children. What a bunch of pansies.
The British don't have the power to push a lot of countries around anymore, so they have to resort to "Internal Colonialism" by pushing minorities around and trying to force minorities to assimilate to WASP culture.
Basically in the UK, you only have freedom of religion if your Christian or Jewish.
If you happen to be Hindu, Buddhist, Moslem, or any other Non-Judeo Christian religion, then the freedom of religion does not apply to you in the UK.
HOLY HELL!! Some of you Brits need to jump on this guy or ..... SOMETHING!

I am not an expert on British History so I can't really tell what is truth and BS in his post.
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