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Old 10-11-2008, 05:31 PM   #21 (permalink)
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You don't have the slightest idea what the term actually means do you. It becomes rather meaningless when used as a pejorative to describe anyone who sits to the left of your wingnut viewpoints.

How about you give us a coherent breakdown of Marxism and exactly how it relates to Obama's policy positions.

Hint: mumbling something about government run healthcare and snarling on about socialist this and socialist that will not be sufficient.

I guess I am supposed to believe that a campaign staff filled with Marxists and radicals does not reflect the candidate.

Obama's policy regarding capital gains taxes is marxist.

Obama's policy regarding estate taxes is marxist.

Obama's policy regarding income taxes is marxist.

Obama's policy regarding healthcare is marxist.

Obama seems to follow the Marxist/Socialist premise that success should be punished while the non-producer reaps the rewards of the successful.

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Old 10-11-2008, 05:32 PM   #22 (permalink)

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I'm not sure how it's a 180 being that there isn't an endorsement anywhere in the article you posted.
The tone of his article absolutely supported McCain. So would you be happier with a 160?
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Old 10-11-2008, 08:11 PM   #23 (permalink)
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He's a regular writer for the NYT, Wall Street Journal, New Yorker, and Vanity Fair, plus he wrote a book that became a major motion picture in "Thank You for Smoking"...those are pretty high marks for a nobody.
Does not mean that he is well known outside of his last name.
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Old 10-11-2008, 08:17 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Does not mean that he is well known outside of his last name.
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Old 10-11-2008, 08:18 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I guess I am supposed to believe that a campaign staff filled with Marxists and radicals does not reflect the candidate.

Obama's policy regarding capital gains taxes is marxist.

Obama's policy regarding estate taxes is marxist.

Obama's policy regarding income taxes is marxist.

Obama's policy regarding healthcare is marxist.

Obama seems to follow the Marxist/Socialist premise that success should be punished while the non-producer reaps the rewards of the successful.

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In conclusion folks, conservatives don't know what words mean.

Again, you don't seem to have a remotely solid grasp on what Marxism actually is. You're just throwing it around like it's some kind of rhetorical silver bullet. By your standards, the entire industrialized world is a steaming cauldron of Marxism where every successful person is punished.

You have this arbitrary starting point where everything thereafter is either socialist or Marxist. What about Marxist, publicly funded wars you cheerlead for? What about the Marxist roads and bridges you drive on? A Marxist police force and fire department protect your property and provide security. Of course you'd never consider things things to be Marxist because you have absolutely no coherent thoughts on the subject. You just point at whatever you don't like and say "MARXIST/SOCIALIST/COMMIE!!!!!!".

By your standards every reasonably well off country in the world is Marxist. By your standards Reagan was a fucking Marxist. You should try reading a book sometime.
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Old 10-11-2008, 08:27 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Old 10-11-2008, 08:47 PM   #27 (permalink)

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In conclusion folks, conservatives don't know what words mean.

Again, you don't seem to have a remotely solid grasp on what Marxism actually is. You're just throwing it around like it's some kind of rhetorical silver bullet. By your standards, the entire industrialized world is a steaming cauldron of Marxism where every successful person is punished.

You have this arbitrary starting point where everything thereafter is either socialist or Marxist. What about Marxist, publicly funded wars you cheerlead for? What about the Marxist roads and bridges you drive on? A Marxist police force and fire department protect your property and provide security. Of course you'd never consider things things to be Marxist because you have absolutely no coherent thoughts on the subject. You just point at whatever you don't like and say "MARXIST/SOCIALIST/COMMIE!!!!!!".

By your standards every reasonably well off country in the world is Marxist. By your standards Reagan was a fucking Marxist. You should try reading a book sometime.

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Old 10-11-2008, 09:17 PM   #28 (permalink)

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The tone of his article absolutely supported McCain. So would you be happier with a 160?
He's essentially saying that McCain isn't as bad as some conservative parrots used to claim.

It's a pretty fair, objective piece; I don't gather a pro-McCain tone to it all. Has our political discourse become so toxic that treating a candidate with civility is implicit support? I mean, I agree with everything that was said in the article, am I now pro-McCain?
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Old 10-11-2008, 09:24 PM   #29 (permalink)

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But just remember DSD, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America - there is the United States of America.
That sounds even less believable coming from you than it originally did from him.
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I guess I am supposed to believe that a campaign staff filled with Marxists and radicals does not reflect the candidate.

Obama's policy regarding capital gains taxes is marxist.

Obama's policy regarding estate taxes is marxist.

Obama's policy regarding income taxes is marxist.

Obama's policy regarding healthcare is marxist.

Obama seems to follow the Marxist/Socialist premise that success should be punished while the non-producer reaps the rewards of the successful.

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1. You don't understand what Marxism is
2. You don't understand what Socialism is

Also, you failed to answer the post you quoted.
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