[Demoslasher]

I hate anyone that tries to push their belief on me. Im non religious because i find the very concept of god to be insulting to logical thinkers. Seriously we know how the universe was created and it wasnt some giant guy with a big beard that lives in the sky

[NotVeryOriginal]

Originally Posted by 0utt-a control

I've heard people express this type of view many times....but they're always asked the same question: If God created the universe/multiverse then who created god????

Imagine for the sake of simplsity and compromise god is quite simply energy so infinate that if we made united for it we could count every second for the enitre of human history and still represent a tiny amount of the whole. When energy gets that big and vast it no longer applies to known forms of science. This is the 4th dimensional type stuff. And before some dick head who reads kerrang and listen to Children of Bodom cause some prick magazine editor tells him that he'll be unique if he does even if millions of others do too, decides talk about shit he with words he can barely comprehend, yes a 4th dimension is pretty much accepted to exist, the way the stars align wouldnt make nsense by accepted scientific principals if there wasnt a force countering gravity, back tothe point, when we talk about energy this big the rules they teach you in physics class start bending.

Case in point, lets use maths...

a) 0x0 = 0

b) sq root of 0 = 0

c) 0 to the power 0 = 1

You get taught the 1st two stanards your entire lifes, then once big numbers comeinto play you have to throw out nthose standards and bend the rules.

In conclussion, we dont know everything, so there is quite simply no reason for their not to be a 'god'.

[smasheroffaces]

Plus i cant rap my head around heaven and hell. If god forgives everyone for their sins then why is there hell anyways?

well the bible says he will forgive you if you accept his forgivness that means accepting what he did when he took our punishment upon himself. if someone doesnt want to accept this then why should he forgive them. how can you be forgiven if ya dont ask. God doesnt send anyone to hell. people choose to be seperated from God its a personal free will choice that is made by the idividual. its not God making the choice. this is what i believe

[NotVeryOriginal]

Originally Posted by Eugenicist

I can't think of many examples.

Even the crusades are as much an economic/resources thing as religious if not more. Not many ancient period wars were religious.. mostly territorial (which would full under resources).

WW1/WW2, completely began an economic race and military race for dominance over international resources between several pending national powers... resumed as ww2 because of the disputed economic terms for peace the parties of ww1 ended up with.

US civil war... 90% ecomonics/race to industrialism/dispute over what type of labor to us. Napoleonic wars... economic. russian revolution economic, Spanish civil war economic. Vietnam war economic, battle of agincourt economic, US revolution economic (although I admit the original pioneer wave was influenced religiously).

Even the Taiping Rebellion, where a guy claimed to be the brother of Jesus, was mostly fought over land socializing (nearly all of their foot soldiers were peasants with dreams of possessing land).

Protestant vs Catholic conflicts? Find ANY that weren't directly entwined with the economic independence of a nation or the nobility and church fighting over income.

Really the view that religion causes war is a fairly recent thing, and heavily compromised of teenagers.

for those at the top it was about wealth, gold, oil. For those dying in the battlefields, trenches, streets, it was about religion, The ultimate form of Us vs Them. A quote from Dogma which is so true, "You can change and idea, but a belief, people will die for it, theyll kill for it, you cant change a belief"

If the christians marched into acient turkey and told they men on the ground that they wanted to show the ture way to cook bread you think theyd have been such dedication for death?

[J-Fight]

Originally Posted by Demoslasher

I hate anyone that tries to push their belief on me. Im non religious because i find the very concept of god to be insulting to logical thinkers. Seriously we know how the universe was created and it wasnt some giant guy with a big beard that lives in the sky

ROFL good job being a delusional moron.

Atheists (that aren't stupid) hold onto the theory of Ex Nihlio, which is the theory that the universe "self-generated" itself. Obviously, it is not a supported theory. Thus, it is simply what they "believe."

*gasp

Atheists don't like to admit that they are extending what they know to a belief system just as much as theists are.

The only ones that aren't jumping to conclusions are agnostics.

And LOL at the typical 20something year old making the same stupid arguments. Why is God something definable? Who says it's a "giant guy with a big beard," anyways?

For me it simply means "supernatural," or... not a part of the "natural" universe. I do not believe in "infinite regress," which is more unsupported theory, or anything else that posits the notion that the universe created itself or was simply always there.

[Eugenicist]

Originally Posted by NotVeryOriginal

Good to see your so high up there on your throne that you talk down to everyone, turning an adult deabte into an attack. Well I got no use deabting with an invalid whos only rebutle is an insult because they blindly follow what some 'indie' mag tells them is cool yet claim to be against the man. ....with that, blocked.

After watching you in action, I honestly believe you are the most stupid person in the war room, and request that you block me as well, if this helps; you are a poopoo head.

[NotVeryOriginal]

Originally Posted by Demoslasher

I hate anyone that tries to push their belief on me. Im non religious because i find the very concept of god to be insulting to logical thinkers. Seriously we know how the universe was created and it wasnt some giant guy with a big beard that lives in the sky

How was the universe created and wheres the proof? You dont want to belive in anything, fine, but no one knows how the universe was created and we will probably never no, not in a 100 years and not in 100 million. Its simply too big.

People theorize about the big bang, there is not a single form of proof about that, and yet the same people who blindly follow that idea mock those who believe in god. Irony at its best.

[NotVeryOriginal]

Originally Posted by Eugenicist

After watching you in action, I honestly believe you are the most stupid person in the war room, and request that you block me as well, if this helps; you are a poopoo head.

Not gunna let you off that easy. Out of curiosity, howd you come to this conclussion.

[Mekong Delta]

The theist argument that the universe is much too complicated to be explained by science and logic, thus must be the work of God is flawed in many ways. The fact that sciences has yet to explain many things is not evidence of God's existance. The fact that religion had been a roadblock to scientific and social progress over the centuries should be a lesson to all. Science and logic encourages people to challenge the old ideas, thus bringing with them better understanding of the world we live in instead of being content with "God is behind everything".

Another factor is that theists simply assume God exists and do not like to be questioned. I used the example of a giant undetectable vagina in the sky earlier to prove the futility of applying logic to blind faith. If I say the giant vagina will never be detectable by any human means present or future, and that the vagina only talks to me in my head if I accept it as my master. Does that mean the burden of proof is now on you to disprove of the vagina's existance? As unsound as the existance of a giant undetectable vagain is in the first place? This is a logical fallacy called Negative Proof, based on this line of faulty reasoning: X is true because there is no proof that X is false.

Of course, I will not go as far as to say nothing good ever came out of religion. Organized religion often function as a form of social support network to provides help to individuals in their community. It can also be a source of where personal morals come from, although it is by not means the only source. Religion is your personal faith, and thus should be kept as such. Faith is not science, which means it does not have to be validated through the eyes of science and logic, which many theists seem desperate to do. I cannot disprove that Santa Claus exists anymore than you can sell the idea that a higher power exists.

[NotVeryOriginal]

Originally Posted by J-Fight

For me it simply means "supernatural," or... not a part of the "natural" universe. I do not believe in "infinite regress," which is more unsupported theory, or anything else that posits the notion that the universe created itself or was simply always there.

Ditto